The next temple.

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  1. mima

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    If you believe as I do that a third Jewish Temple will be built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. What will be the nature of that Temple? Will that Temple be of God or will that Temple be of satan?
     
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    Isn't it the anti-christ who builds it? and aren't the animal sacrifices started again there? From what I've gathered it will be rebuilt as a means for the anti-christ to gain acceptance from the Jewish people and be seen as their protector....until he betrays them halfway through the Tribulation.
     
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    If Satan builds it, why is the abomination of desolation such a big deal?
     
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    Because the Jewish people are the ones being offended?
     
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    Where do you get in the NT that there will be a 3rd temple? You are going to have to kill every muslem in the world to accomplish such a thing. To go back to the sacrifices would be to reject the very thing Jesus came to accomplish. Where are you going to find the Levitical priesthood for the sacrifices?

    1)OT sacrifices are types and shadows
    2)God did not have pleasure in animal sacrifices but He did have pleasure in His Son.
    3)When forgiveness became a reality the sacrifices ceased to exist.
     
  6. Petrel

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    It's going from a dispensational interpretation of Daniel combined with the description of a temple in Ezekiel that doesn't match any of the temples that have been built.
     
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    Written before Petrel's writing:

    Bapmom: //Isn't it the anti-christ who builds it? and aren't the animal sacrifices
    started again there? From what I've gathered it will
    be rebuilt as a means for the anti-christ to gain acceptance
    from the Jewish people and be seen as their protector....until
    he betrays them halfway through the Tribulation. //

    Amen, Sister Bapmom - preach it!

    Petrel: //If Satan builds it, why is the abomination
    of desolation such a big deal?//

    Satan doesn't build the temple.
    Satan's man, The Beast from the Sea (AKA: Antichrist), allows,
    helps, and assists the Jews to build it.

    Jo$h: //Where do you get in the NT that there will be a 3rd temple?//

    Revelation 10:11:1-2.
    BTW, it says to measure the space (in preparation of building a
    Temple there).

    Jo$h: //You are going to have to kill every muslem in the world
    to accomplish such a thing.//

    Not so. Revelation 11:2 says NOT to measure the outer court.
    The outer court is also known as 'Court of the Gentiles'.
    The Temple can be rebuilt while the Dome of the Rock (DoR) lies exactly
    where it is now. All that is there now is basicly a
    place to wash feet before going into the DoR.

    Jo$h: //To go back to the sacrifices would be
    to reject the very thing Jesus came to accomplish.//

    Unsaved Jews will build the 3rd temple.
    However, God will use that 3rd temple to save many Jews.
    FOr when the Antichrist goes into the Temple to dedicate
    it, he will declare himself Christ and God - then millions of
    Jews will accept Jesus (the rejected cornerstone) as their Messiah
    and Savior.

    Jo$h: //Where are you going to find the Levitical priesthood for the sacrifices? //

    They are ALREADY STANDING BY waiting for the opportunity to
    sacrifice on Temple Mount. BTW, there doesn't have to be a building
    part of the Temple (Holy Place, Holy of Holies) for sacrifices to
    take place, only access to Temple mount.

    Recall that the Ten NOthern Tribes, and the Levites among them
    were taking captive by Assyria and disappeard as a seperate people
    (though some of the strays are being found in Ethopia and India).
    The two Southern Tribes: Judah and Benjamin AND THE LEVITES
    among them went into captivity into Babylon BUT CAME BACK
    to build the Second Temple. Recall each Levite can trace their linage
    back to Levi, son of Israel.

    I talked to a non-'Messanic Jew' who was a Ribbinical student.
    I asked him, how will you know when Messiah has come?

    Here are the three signs that the Messiah has come::

    1. Peace for Israel
    2. Restoration of the Daily Sacrifice on Temple Mount
    3. Restoration of the Temple buildings on Temple Mount

    Of course, he who comes as Messiah, will appear to be Messiah,
    and shall deceive many - the Antichrist.

    Thus it is a part of GOd's plan to save Israel (Romans 11:25-26)
    that the 3rd temple be built.


    [ 'Messiah' is the English for the Hebrew meaning 'annointed
    on of God' or 'chosen one of God', thus the same as 'Christ' in
    the Greek. However, Because six Million Jews were killed by
    Adolf Hitler in WW2 in the name of 'Christ' - Jews do NOT
    like the term 'Christ'.
    BTW, 'Messiah' and 'Christ' are both TITLES, RANKS, honorary
    terms, etc. for OUR LORD whose name is 'Jesus'; 'Messiah'
    and 'Christ' are NOT NAMES, His name is 'Jesus'.
    Also, 'in the name of' does not mean 'using the name of'
    but 'using the authority of'. ]

    Jo$h: //1)OT sacrifices are types and shadows
    2)God did not have pleasure in animal sacrifices but He did have pleasure in His Son.
    3)When forgiveness became a reality the sacrifices ceased to exist. //

    Amen, Brother Jo$h -- Preach it!
    But that means you are a Christian. Most Jews do not accept that.

    Anybody want to talk about Ezekiel's FOURTH TEMPLE ;)
     
  8. DeafPosttrib

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    The Bible says nothing about the third temple shall be built in the future.

    Remember in John 2:19-21, Christ told them, that temple(building) shall be destroyed, and in three days he shall raised it up. The Jews were not understand what Christ was talking about. They said to him, impossible that the temple shall be rebuilt again in three days, they said that temple was built for 46 years. Verse 21 tells us, Christ speaks of the temple is his body.

    When Christ was on the cross, he shouted and said, "It is finished". Christ yielded up his soul. At the same time, the veil in the temple was tear down from top to bottom. It shows that it is no more daily sacrifices or offerings again for forever and ever.

    The prophecy of Daniel 9:27 already fulfilled that Christ already made new covenant with many(not only Jews, also included Gentiles too), in the midst of the week(during 70th week after his 3 1/2 years of his ministry), he shall cause daily sacrifices and the oblation to cease, and the temple in Jerusalem already destroyed about 40 years later in 70 A.D.

    Now, Jesus Christ is our temple. We are His temple.

    Early in my Christian life, I thought 2 Thess. 2:4 explains into literal with physical. But, I realized, verse 3 tells us, our gathering together(day of Christ) shall not come till we shall see the falling away first(apostasy), then the manof sin shall be revealed.

    Apostasy does not always focus on people or unbelievers of the world. Also, apostasy was within us (church), that we as followers already forsaking Christ, and turn away from the Lord. So, 2 Thess. 2:4 tells us, Satan shall control over us (it pictures of persecute or takeover). He shall not sit on the literal throne in the literal building of temple. Verse 4 pictures that Satan shall control over Christians-who already turn away from the Lord, God feds up with his followers swho stopped follow Christ, and turn away from the Lord, SO,. God allows Satan to take over God's followers.

    Pretribs take Rev. 11:1-2 into literally, that they intepreting it, there shall be a literal physical building of the temple during tribulation period. But, they misinterprting what Rev. 11:1-2 actual saying.

    Verse 1 talks about builting the temple of God comparing with Matt. 16:18 that Christ is currently built his church right now. Church means God's people(believers).

    Verse 2 talks about outside of the temple, which represent unbelievers, God shall allow Gentiles(world-unebelievers) to take over the temple of God. and they shall persecute against the temple for 42 months. That means, God shall allow world(wicked nations) to take over church(it refers with 2 Thess. 2:4), the church shall be persecuted by the wicked nations for 42 months. Same with Rev. 13:5-7,10 telling us, Satan shall war against the church, many Christians shall be persecuted and killed for refuse to receive the mark or worshipping Satan.

    Remind you that the book of Revelation is filled with symbol meanings. Not every things are literal, unless depend on what the grammar is talking about.

    No. There will not be another third temple again in the future. Christ said, "it is finished" - John 19:30. He fulfilled John 2:19-21 by after his resurrection, that we do not need physical building - temple. Now Christ is OUR temple, that we can worshipping Christ in spirit, because we are His priests.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
  9. bapmom

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    DeafPostTrib,

    we are not here discussing LEGITIMATE animal sacrifices, as in God-ordained. We are talking about prophecies which seem to indicate that the Temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will once again be reinstated. This is NOT us saying that GOD commanded this to happen....but rather is just His prediction of what WILL happen.

    We know that animal sacrifices are no longer necessary, and this is why we are talking here about UNSAVED Jews starting this practice again. They do not believe in Jesus' sacrifice.
     
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    You might want to run that by your dispie theologians, because that is exactly what they believe. See Ez:40-47.
     
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    "dispies" do not believe that animal sacrifices will be necessary EVER again. Now please do not turn this nice little thread into a Dispensational vs Non-Dispensational thread.....Im sure that was not its intent.

    I started posting on this precisely because it was NOT a C vs A argument....and Im sure not going to get into the other "hot issue that goes nowhere" argument.
     
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    bapmom, you say, 'dispies' do not believe animal sacrifices will be ever again. Well, not always. I heard some dispies believe there will be animal sacrifices again when after the third temple is builted by follow after sign peace treaty with Israel and Antichrist. Some saying when after the third temple being constructed completed, then the priest shall be about ready to take offering or sacrifice animal in the temple. But, somehow Antichrist shall come into the temple, cause sacrifices to stop and make the temple abomination during in the middle of seven year of tribulation period.

    Is this biblical?

    Big misunderstanding what Daniel 9:24-27 actual talking about. Daniel 9:24-27 discuss about 70 weeks concerning about the coming Messiah-Jesus Christ & Calvary, not talk about the building of the temple. First, Dan. 9:25 predicted that the building of temple & rebuilt of wall round around Jerusalem was already fulfilled during Nehemiah and post Daniel's period. 70 weeks mean 490 years. Daniel written that book about 490 years prior Calvary. This passage is given message about the coming of Messiah and Calvary & the new covenant. It already fulfilled by Calvary 2,000 years ago.

    Dan. 9:26 predicts that Jerusalem shall be destruction include the building of temple too, it already fulfilled in 70 A.D. by Roman army.

    Dan. 9:27 predicted talk about Jesus Christ, who shall make new covenant with many. Already fulfilled in Matt. 26:28. It speaks of his blood already wash our sins away through Calvary. Also, Christ is the temple, we do not need physical building of the temple anymore. We can ask Him in spirit by prayer for ask of forgiven anytime 24 hour daily.

    Also, dispies believe animal sacrifices shall be restored again during millennial kingdom as Christ shall sit in the third or fourth temple.

    But, there is not a single verse find anywhere in the New Testament mention about this. Because calvary already removed daily animal sacrifices & offerings away. Christ is out sacrifice & temple.

    Dispies emphasis Ezekiel 40-47 talking about millennial temple. One problem is, 'a thousand years' is not find anywhere in Ezekiel 40-47. Later this week, I will discuss more on Ezekiel 40-47 about temple and Jesus Christ. To explain on it more deep and clear what it is talking about.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    Yes Deafpost! I said we do not believe that the animal sacrifices are NECESSARY. This is not the same thing as saying they will occur again. Please pay attention to what Im saying here.......


    Animal sacrifices will be started again by UNSAVED HUMANS, NOT GOD. Ok? That is the dispie view. NOT GOD-ORDAINED.

    A new Temple is indeed in the Millenium, but there is no need for animal sacrifices of course, because JESUS CHRIST is the Once-for-all sacrifice for sin.
     
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    bapmom,

    You believe there will be temple in millennial kingdom. Also, you saying Jesus Christ is once for all sacrifice. First part I do not agree with you. The last part I agree with you that Christ is once for all sacrifice by Calvary.

    There shall be no temple buiding on new earth beyond Christ's coming. Because Jesus Christ is the temple. In Rev. 21:22 says, "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb ARE the temple of it."

    When Christ shall come again. He shall bring New Jerusalem down out of the heaven to new earth, and we as followers shall worshipping Jesus Christ sits on the throne, because he is our temple, there shall be no building of the temple in New Jerusalem, because Jesus Christ IS the temple.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    Double post, because of flood posts same time caused mine post into double.
     
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    I absolutely agree, DeafPost....but I said in the Millenium, not in the New Jerusalem. Now, I know we have a difference of opinion on that matter and that's ok. I don't believe we have to hash it out, because we both know what and why we believe what we do.

    BUT, my problem is that there is some sort of misunderstanding regarding what dispies say about ANIMAL SACRIFICES. Do you see where there was a misunderstanding and/or mispeaking?
     
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    I think when Christ comes a lot of people are going to be surprised. I think when He comes He will receive the Church and pass judgement on the world. I don't believe that the 1000 years is yet to come and I believe most of what DeafPost said except I don't believe the Kingdom will be here. Jesus said:

    John, chapter 14
    "1": Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

    "2": In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    "3": And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

    If Jesus tells us that we will be where the Father is, how could it possibly be on the earth. There are mansions already over there and He went to build one for the rest of His believers. New Jerusalem is the Church itself (believers). He plainly tells us that the foundations are twelve and names written therein are the Apostle of the Lamb and twelve gates and the names are the twelve tribes of Isreal, with Jesus being the temple of that City and God and the Lamb are the light of that City.

    I too think that Revelations is taken to literally, that a lot of what is written has already taken place and part is yet to come.

    I think it will be a quick work the Lord will do when He comes and He will be the temple of that City which is the Church itself and Christ the temple therein.

    I didn't post many Scriptures but I could. I think the Woman who brought forth the man child was the Church that came from under the Law and it was speaking of Jesus for they certainly wanted to kill him as soon as He was born. Oh well, I could write for an hour but I doubt if you would agree with me, so I will just post and wait for your comments if you have any for me.
     
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    TO ED Edwards--Now about the fourth(or millennial) temple, please stand we will get to that in the next post. Loved your statements about a third Temple,
     
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    You honestly think the moslems will allow such a thing to happen?

    If John was measuring the temple then it was still there in 95 AD.

    Kind of strange for Paul to say the Antichrist will desecrate the 3rd Temple when the 2nd Temple was still standing how do you think the Thessalonians figured this out?


    The Jews already tried to build a 3rd temple and guess what happened?

    Constantine and the "Christian" Roman Empire

    In A.D. 324 Emperor Constantine and his mother Queen Helena were converted to Christianity. Aelia Capitolina was renamed Jerusalem and the title of "Holy City" was restored to her. It was now, however, considered the Holy City of Christianity, not the national capital of the Jews. The pagan temple Hadrian was destroyed and the church of Holy Zion was built on the Temple Mount. These conditions lasted under A.D. 362 when the Roman emperor Julian the Apostate permitted the Jews to return.

    A Plan to Rebuild
    There was one occasion after the destruction of the Second Temple when the Jews were able to formulate plans to rebuild their temple. The man behind this project was the Roman Emperor, Flavius Claudius Julianus, a nephew of Constantine - also known as Julian the Apostate because of his opposition to Christianity. Julian planned the project in the last year of his reign in A.D. 363. Julian rescinded all the anti-Jewish laws that his uncle Constantine had instituted. He issued an edict that the Temple be rebuilt in Jerusalem. This caused a great deal of excitement among the Jews. From far and wide, Jews came to Jerusalem to help in the rebuilding work. Julian supplied the necessary funds and appointed Alypius of Antioch, the Roman Governor of Great Britain, to carry out the project. Jews from all over gave from their wealth upon the projected work of rebuilding the Temple. The roads to Jerusalem were filled with multitudes of Jewish men and women who had hopes of seeing a Third Temple built.

    Then sudden tragedy struck. The foundations of the Second Temple were barely uncovered when flames of fire burst forth from under the ground. The flames were accompanied by large explosions. The cause for the flames were probably the result of noxious gas in the subterranean passages catching fire. The workmen fled and the building was stopped, never again to be restarted. Many believed that the explosion and fire were a demonstration of the anger of God.

    If all Israel is saved how is Israel saved today?

    How are they going to do that since all genealogical records were destroyed in the 2nd Temple.
     
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    Ed, you done good. I would have posted something along the same lines. The third temple will be built 150 feet north of the dome. The entrance will be directly in line with the eastern gate. I understand that much of the construction is completed, just waiting to be hauled into place. If I can find my artist's rendering, I'll post it in this forum.

    How can this be? Islamists are looking forward to the return of the 12th Imam, who is supposed to bring in 7 years of peace. A counterfeit will endorse the construction of the third temple and then be responsible for the abomination of desolation 3.5 years into the Tribulation. See

    http://tinyurl.com/cf9mp

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