The NIV: Gods Word?

Hearsay is the bowels of gossip.

 

Maranatha!

 

KJVBibleThumper,

Interesting post but it is full of errors. The base problems come from your sources. Mrs. G(god) A(and) Riplinger and Gipp are nothing but liars. If you do not believe me then research the books fully and you will see what I'm talking about. As a child of God do not take someone's word about something without fully researching it for yourself. You must ask yourself,"is it ok for a KJVO author to lie just to defend the KJV?"

Now to you post:

I'll agree that the NIV has some problems. I personally think that the NIV is too loose in some verses(that is why I use a NASB).

The logic used in your post can easily be turned against you. It's all circuliar reasoning therefore I could turn the same reasoning and ask if the KJV is God's word? Enough on that, I will not waste my time going into great detail.

Lets look at the reading level issues

1. Do you honesty think that the KJV is easier to read then the NIV?

Ruth 4:1,"Then went Boaz up to the gate, and sat him down there: and, behold, the kinsman of whom Boaz spake came by; unto whom he said, Ho, such a one! turn aside, sit down here. And he turned aside, and sat down." KJV

Ruth 4:1,"Meanwhile Boaz went up to the town gate and sat there. When the kinsman-redeemer he had mentioned came along, Boaz said, "Come over here, my friend, and sit down." So he went over and sat down." NIV

Philemon 1:20,"Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh my bowels in the Lord." KJV

Philemon 1:20,"I do wish, brother, that I may have some benefit from you in the Lord; refresh my heart in Christ." NIV

Acts 28:13,"And from thence we fetched a compass, and came to Rhegium: and after one day the south wind blew, and we came the next day to Puteoli:" KJV

Acts 28:13,"From there we set sail and arrived at Rhegium. The next day the south wind came up, and on the following day we reached Puteoli." NIV

2. Why must we use an 1828 dictionary in order to understand the KJV?

3. How many archaic words are in the KJV vs. the NIV?

the issue of change

Why does the KJV change grace to works in the following:

Rev. 22:14,"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." KJV

Those that DO his commandments! Works based RCC theology in the KJV!

or

Rev. 22:14,"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.' NIV

Blessed are those who wash their robes! Grace! We are washed in the Blood of Christ! Not by doing the works.

was Jesus Christ and the eternal reference to His deity and Sonship edited out of the KJV?

Jude 1:25,"To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." KJV

Where is Jesus Christ?

Jude 1:25,"to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen."

Notice the words Jesus Christ and how majesty, power and authority, before all ages(eternal Sonship etc....), and now and forevermore is applied to Jesus Christ in the NIV.

Why did the NIV butcher Jude 1:25?

Why does the KJV attack the Holy Spirit?

Romans 8:26,"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." KJV

Notice the gender inclusive word "itself" in the KJV that refers the the Holy Spirit! The KJV is attacking the Spirit calling Him and it! Why did the KJV change the male Holy Spirit to it?

Romans 8:26,"In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express." NIV

The NIV correctly calls the Holy Spirit "Himself" and attacks the KJV's liberal theology.

Do you see my point KJVBT?

I really hate to use this type of reasoning to make a point but sometimes it must be done in order to show that KJVO logic is flawed at best.

Now address the issues that I brought up and explain to me why the KJV attacks and waters down the doctrines of the faith(using KJVO wording and logic)

 

Once again we have the folly of examining the lives of sinful men to commend or condemn their works.

In like manner of folly, here also is historical fact to show that King James, the High Commission Court (two were members of the KJV translation committee) and his "bishops" were far from perfect...

Found online at : http://www.tegart.com/brian/bible/kjvonly/rick/influence.html

Others received similar treatment, and there was a one year prison sentence for those who spoke out against the apocrypha being included in "The Holy Bible".

HankD

 

Brother Ed
Verger, English word for the Dutch word koster.
Other English word for the same profession: sexton, sacristan.
The verger is the caretaker of both the churchbuilding (dusting shelves, painting doors, waxing floors etc.) and it's material contents (this includes activities as buying the bread&wine for the Lord's Supper). In practice one is also responsible for the physical wellbeing of the visitors of that church while they are there (mostly accomplished by making large amounts of coffee for them).

 

Dr. Martin Woudstra was a sodomite and homosexual

I don't like dredging up this particular hot-button issue [snip].

However, to date I have never seen confirmation of this factoid. The only people claiming Martin Woudstra was a homosexual, that I have seen, are KJV-onlyists. That makes the claim highly suspect, to say the least.

[edited to remove inappropriate comment]

[ September 03, 2004, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: Pastor_Bob ]

 

KJVBibleThumper, I started to reply to your original post, but it was so full of false witness that I lost track of how many falsehoods I would have to correct. Shame on you.

 

I noticed that our KJVO freinds will not touch my post.

 

Amen, preach it!!!!

 

Ja, goed!

Mioque is wise. All it takes is one person in a non-English country, with a non-English translation of scripture, to completely debunk the false doctrine of single-translation-onlyism.

 

A serious student of God's word, according to KJOism:

• An I.Q. of 80 or below
• No more than a high school education
• No knowledge of Hebrew or Greek
• No interest at all in academic pursuits
• A total disdain for the truth
• A whole-hearted love for lies and deception
• A profound ignorance of English grammar and punctuation
• An abysmal lack of knowledge of the basic rules for capitalizing words and phrases
• A gross inability to correctly spell English words
• A miniscule vocabulary
• A radical degree of confusion between common English words such as delete and omit, faith and presumption
• A pathetic lack of discernment
• An ardent love for darkness rather than light

 

KJVBT:In conclusion I would like to give thanks to the authors of these books:
New Age Bible Versions -Gail Ripplinger
Garbage.


God wrote only one Bible-Jasper Ray
Plagiarism of Ben Wilkinson's book, "Our Authorized Bible Vindicated"

KJV 1611: Perfect!-Roy Branson
Another Minister of Misinformation...Guesswork.


The Answer Book-Samuel Gipp
The WRONG Answer Book...Please read the topic "The Gipper Shoulda Stick to Football" in the archives of this board, now on page 5.


An understandable history of the Bible-Samuel Gipp
See above.


Which Bible is Gods Word?-Gail Ripplinger
Garbage.


Lets Weigh the EvidenceBarry Burton
Minister of Misinformation #2...Propaganda, same ole KJVO codwallop

The Modern Bible VersionsGary Flynt
Minister of Misinformation #3...Fishing stories

Does God Have a Contraversy with the King James?H. Williams
Propaganda and guesswork.


Reasons why the KJV is superior J. Zwingel
Opinion, devoid of fact...More opinion and guesswork.


KJVBT, I realize you're a teenager who prolly likes to do what most other teens do, so I won't go too hard on you...you would prolly get bored if you embarked upon the research I've already done upon just about every "fact" presented in the KJVO literature.but I've not only read all that bunk, but followed their "facts" to their sources to know for sure that most of what they say IS bunk. Gail Riplinger is totally discredited, so the only thing I have to say about any of her writing is "garbage". Not even that many KJVOs on this board place the slightest amount of credibility in her works.

As for The Gipper, many other of his "answers" away from the KJVO issue have been proven wrong. He's NOT a reliable source.

J.J.Ray heavily plagiarized Ben Wilkinson, and both Ray and Dr.D.O.Fuller tried to conceal the fact that Wilkinson was a SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST official.

Gotta go now,(son's football game) but I really urge you to follow up on some of the "facts" your sources have presented, to see for yourself whether or not they're true...to see if I'm speaking from bias or from THE TRUTH.

 

Well somebody has an issue with PRIDE don't they. I'm right and everyone else is wrong boy you sound like a pharisee. May you should read the whole first page where Craig,Ed,Rsr, and myself refuted his whole page and exposed the errors. And then take a look on page 2 where it is refuted even further then maybe you would see his paper was full of lies and deciet and mis-imformation.

1cross+3nails=4given

 

KJVBibleThumper,

I pray that you will have a good time with your family tonight and that you will soon recover from whatever sickness that you may be coming down with. Take care, be good, and may God richly bless you and your family .

CBTS

 

That should be
... his paper was full of lies and deceit and misinformation.

Otherwise -- Amen, Brother DeclareHIm -- Preach it!

 

I've prayed for you KJVBT.

Your brother,

HankD

 

KJVBT, may GOD protect and heal you...and may He make your "family night" QUALITY TIME.

 

Granny Gumbo:Okay~I've just heard of yet another 'bible' that has hit the markets...called "Good As New"...

I don't believe you'll find anyone here believing that rag is a valid Bible.

I ain't seen one, but I wonder what they done with Habakkuk?

 

When you get time, my brother, please address the points that I brought up about the NIV vs. the KJV. I would like for you to think about what I wrote and give me a thoughtful reply telling me why the NIV is clearer than the KJV in my examples. This is not a trap just to debate you. So please understand my purpose in asking you those questions.

I have put a lot of time in studying KJVO claims. I was a KJVO for over 7 years and I wanted to remain KJVO, so I researched everything that I could get my paws on. In the end I found out that KJVOism is just a myth with no scripture to support it. If KJVOism is right then why do so many KJVO authors resort to name calling, slander, misquotes, lies, distortions, pride, and an all out disrespect for tangible history?

Please don't let silence and spin be your answers. If you notice the local KJVOist will not touch this with a 10 foot pole! Why? Now, let's keep this between you and me. You answer my questions and we can have a nice thoughtout discussion. As a KJVO I was taught that MV user's can not be trusted. If you are being taught that then I would ask you to reconsider it fully. As a former KJVO I have more in common with you than someone who was never a KJVO.

Now here is my post:

Now to you post:

I'll agree that the NIV has some problems. I personally think that the NIV is too loose in some verses(that is why I use a NASB).

The logic used in your post can easily be turned against you. It's all circuliar reasoning therefore I could turn the same reasoning and ask if the KJV is God's word? Enough on that, I will not waste my time going into great detail.

Lets look at the reading level issues

1. Do you honesty think that the KJV is easier to read then the NIV?

Ruth 4:1,"Then went Boaz up to the gate, and sat him down there: and, behold, the kinsman of whom Boaz spake came by; unto whom he said, Ho, such a one! turn aside, sit down here. And he turned aside, and sat down." KJV

Ruth 4:1,"Meanwhile Boaz went up to the town gate and sat there. When the kinsman-redeemer he had mentioned came along, Boaz said, "Come over here, my friend, and sit down." So he went over and sat down." NIV

Philemon 1:20,"Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh my bowels in the Lord." KJV

Philemon 1:20,"I do wish, brother, that I may have some benefit from you in the Lord; refresh my heart in Christ." NIV

Acts 28:13,"And from thence we fetched a compass, and came to Rhegium: and after one day the south wind blew, and we came the next day to Puteoli:" KJV

Acts 28:13,"From there we set sail and arrived at Rhegium. The next day the south wind came up, and on the following day we reached Puteoli." NIV

2. Why must we use an 1828 dictionary in order to understand the KJV?

3. How many archaic words are in the KJV vs. the NIV?

the issue of change

Why does the KJV change grace to works in the following:

Rev. 22:14,"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." KJV

Those that DO his commandments! Works based RCC theology in the KJV!

or

Rev. 22:14,"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.' NIV

Blessed are those who wash their robes! Grace! We are washed in the Blood of Christ! Not by doing the works.

was Jesus Christ and the eternal reference to His deity and Sonship edited out of the KJV?

Jude 1:25,"To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen." KJV

Where is Jesus Christ?

Jude 1:25,"to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen."

Notice the words Jesus Christ and how majesty, power and authority, before all ages(eternal Sonship etc....), and now and forevermore is applied to Jesus Christ in the NIV.

Why did the KJV butcher Jude 1:25?

Why does the KJV attack the Holy Spirit?

Romans 8:26,"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." KJV

Notice the gender inclusive word "itself" in the KJV that refers the the Holy Spirit! The KJV is attacking the Spirit calling Him and it! Why did the KJV change the male Holy Spirit to it?

Romans 8:26,"In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express." NIV

The NIV correctly calls the Holy Spirit "Himself" and attacks the KJV's liberal theology.

Do you see my point KJVBT?

I really hate to use this type of reasoning to make a point but sometimes it must be done in order to show that KJVO logic is flawed at best.

Now address the issues that I brought up and explain to me why the KJV attacks and waters down the doctrines of the faith(using KJVO wording and logic)