The Official Unraveling of the Obama Presidency

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    http://biggovernment.com/tdelbeccar...nraveling-of-the-obama-presidency/#more-74026

    The Official Unraveling of the Obama Presidency
    by Thomas Del Beccaro

    It can be no secret by now that President Obama did not have a signature achievement his first year in office. Of all his major initiatives, health care, cap and trade, civilian trials for terrorists and the “stimulus” bill – only the so-called stimulus bill was enacted. Hardly a success, as more Americans than not know what Paul Krugman and E.J. Dionne do not – that it was a bad idea. Worse for the Democrats — none of those efforts have produced a greater consensus or momentum for them or Obama.

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    Not to be out-done by 2009, in 2010, the Obama presidency has endured:

    (1) the loss of the Kennedy seat (which is how the Democrats view that race) even though Obama stumped for the Democrats’ candidate;
    (2) Obama’s deficit commission was shot down;
    (3) The unions are warning the Democrats that they are “going to have a hard time getting members out to vote”;

    (4) Democrats are slowly signing onto a bill to defeat Obama’s civilian trial for terrorists,
    (5) Obama’s TSA nomination died before a vote;
    (6) Obama’s NLRB nomination died after a vote;
    (7) Nancy Pelosi is openly criticizing Obama’s plans for a job bill;
    (8) Some Democrats are openly worrying about the political effect of the expiration of the Bush tax cuts;
    (9) the left, in general, is openly criticizing Obama on a host of issues from the wars to his comments on Wall Street bonuses.

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    ... Obama’s troubles are going to get worse – much worse.
    Obama is now open to tax increases on the middle class (”agnostic” is the word he used).
     
  2. Martin

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    It is way too early for this kind of "unraveling" talk. The Obama administration is barely one year old and it has, at least, another year before the '12 campaign really swings into gear. Many, many things can change in that period of time in politics and with the 24-hour new cycle. Do I think Obama will be able to turn his so far failed administration around? No. However that does not mean that he can't or won't. Nor does it mean he will not get re-elected. Obama's second term depends upon many things and not one of them have anything to do with right now. His second term will be decided by what is going on in the fall of 2012.
     
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    Like the Clinton presidency , Obama's presidency is coming unraveled in his first year.

    Clinton salvaged his (at least until Monica) after losing his majority.

    Obama is more of an ideologue and less of an astute politician that Clinton.. His unraveling may be permanent when he loses his majority.
     
  4. Magnetic Poles

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    Even if one accepts this "unravelleing" (which I don't), who with any authority to do so, deemed it "official". Just another opinion piece. Nothing official about it.
     
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    Why don't you agree?

    Are any of the 9 indicators untrue?

    Official? :laugh: What an idiotic statement. Of course it's an OP, but it's based on irrefutable facts. If any of those 9 indicators are not factual, then prove them wrong.

    I can't hardly wait. :sleep:
     
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    First you have to prove the "facts" are all true. You bear the burden of proof. But for the sake of argument, let's give you that all are absolutely factual. Thirteen months doesn't make or break a presidency.

    Now it is historical that the party in power typically loses seats in the midterm election, be it GOP or Democratic. Several of your "facts" are pre-election posturing by some Democrats trying to play to the polls for the election. Nothing new about that. Plus, the Democratic Party is not a monolith. There is room for many divergent views within the party. Were it a lockstep, unified entity, you'd have seen a lot more of the President's agenda enacted during his first year.

    As for numbers 5 & 6, why are the GOP whiners who were wailing about an up or down vote, unwilling to give the new President's nominees the same thing they were crying about during Bush's term? For that matter, maybe Obama should take a page from Bush's playbook and do some recess appointments of his nominees.
     
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    That's what I thought. :laugh:
     
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    Yes, I know that veracity of claims is a new concept to you. But try to keep up.

    And I did give you that for the sake of argument. So you have nothing substantive to say other than smarmy comments? I am beginning to thing you and Curtis are the same person. :laugh:
     
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    Just as soon as you provide an "official" source to refute any of the 9 points, I'll respond.

    Until then, whine on.
     
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    Thanks for admitting you got nothin'. You made the assertion, you bear the burden of proof. If you claim you have a live dino in your garage, it is up to you to prove it. It is not up to me to disprove it. I answered your points, and you tuck tail and run. Typical. Way to go Curtis...I mean carpro.
     
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    OK MP. Ya got me. :smilewinkgrin:

    (1) the loss of the Kennedy seat (which is how the Democrats view that race) even though Obama stumped for the Democrats’ candidate;

    I can't seem to find proof Scott Brown won the election.

    (2) Obama’s deficit commission was shot down;

    I thought there was something in the news about Obama having to appoint a deficit commission, but I can't seem to find it.
    (3) The unions are warning the Democrats that they are “going to have a hard time getting members out to vote”;

    I had that quote and lost it, dogonnit.

    (4) Democrats are slowly signing onto a bill to defeat Obama’s civilian trial for terrorists,

    You win. It's just not happening.

    (5) Obama’s TSA nomination died before a vote;
    (6) Obama’s NLRB nomination died after a vote;

    Hmmm... can't find verification for that one either. Could have sworn it happened though.


    (7) Nancy Pelosi is openly criticizing Obama’s plans for a job bill;

    You're right . Pelosi wouldn't dare criticize the one.

    (8) Some Democrats are openly worrying about the political effect of the expiration of the Bush tax cuts;

    Couldn't be. I don't know why i ever though it was true.

    (9) the left, in general, is openly criticizing Obama on a host of issues from the wars to his comments on Wall Street bonuses.

    That's just an outright lie. Right?


    You win! They're all lies. Don't bother trying to refute them. I've already done it for you.

    Friends forever, right?:thumbs:
     
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    He is doing his best to erase Carter's memory of being the worst president in recent memory.
     
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    Carpro, sure. I'd share anything I have if you needed it badly enough. I don't dislike you. Just don't get dislike for a person's political positions lead to dislike of the person themself. I try hard not to do that.

    But that aside, I did not say these are not true. I conceded for argument that they are. However, I don't think some of them are without spin (e.g. "in general" in #9). But essentially, most are fairly accurate.

    My point is that is doesn't mean this is an unravelling of Obama's presidency, per my first post on the topic.

    But thanks for engaging.
     
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    That's where the "opinion" part comes in. I believe these are signs of trouble for Obama's agenda. Clearly , you don't. OK.

    "First you have to prove the "facts" are all true." was what you required. The fact is , the truth of the statements didn't really matter to you.
     
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    This is about the funniest thing I have seen in years.
     
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    Obama is living proof that you cannot take a Chicago street walker and make a president out of him.
     
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    It is premature to think that the president's presidency is 'unravelling.' There seems to be a politics of extremes here. A year ago we were reading in this very board that America was dead. Now we are reading the Mr Obama's presidency is dead.

    It is all just politics. Ups and downs, reactions and reactions, tos and fros.

    I year ago the right's response was based on gear. Today it is based on wishful thinking.

    As long as we have the current one party Republicrat system things are not really going to change. The media will do whatever it needs to do to make news, while the system rolls on and on and on.

    President Obama has not achieved the lofty goals that he expressed and that the right feared. To think this is the end of his presidency is wishful thinking at best.

    He very well might be a one term president, but that term is far from over.
     
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    On the day that Obama won the election and my family was freaking out about a Communist takeover of America and looking for signs of the antichrist, I was already predicting a Republican resurgence in 2010.

    Some people do not look at the big picture of history. Like the business cycle, there is the government cycle. Within every sixteen years within recent decades, the government significantly changes in either the presidency, the Congress, or both. The reason for this is that both parties are corrupt in some way, causing the people to seek solace in the other corrupt party for a time.
     
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    Exactly - I appreciate another POV based on historical fact instead of emotion.

    Those of us who study US history we totally assured that this would be the result. Though I wish folks would wake up and support a true alternative.
     
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    Amen, brother. I am sick to death of being chastised by Christians that I am somehow seriously wrong if I don't support or vote for the lesser of two evils or the one "who can win." Somehow, I think the Bible demonstrates that God deals in absolutes of right and wrong. God is not a Republican or a Democrat. He is a God of laws and not of parties or men.

    Sometimes Christians place so much faith and fervor in non-Christian entities such as political parties, talk shows, TV networks, or anchors that they filter their own Christian beliefs through the positions of these people or groups rather than filtering what comes from these groups with the Word of God.

    Concerning politics, I am a strict Constitutionalist. I believe that it accurately reflects God-given rights and liberties that are found in the Bible. However, my main reason for being a strict Constitutionalist is the oath of office. When someone places his or her hand on the Word of God, raises a hand, and swears an oath before God and country to honor, uphold, and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, I believe that I have a duty before God and as a citizen to hold these people to their word. If they dare to support any bill that challenges Constitutional rights outside the proper venue of amendments, they have committed perjury and have violated an oath to God. That is most important to me!

    Too many Christians are too materialistic and entrenched in the world system that they are ever willing to sacrifice what they believe for logical and humanistic expediency. They willingly throw away the integrity of their own beliefs out of fear of man. Since when has God ever sanctioned this type of behavior? I thought morality was absolute, not relative!

    I don't care a whit about political parties, talk show hosts, TV networks, media anchors, "movements," or any other influential groups or individuals. They do not tell me what to think or do. All that matters to me is integrity, honesty, and morality.
     

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