"The Old Cross and the New".

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  1. Revmitchell

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    "From this new cross has sprung a new philosophy of the Christian life; and from that new philosophy has come a new evangelical technique -- a new type of meeting and new type of preaching. This new evangelism employs the same language as of the old, but its content is not the same, and the emphasis not as before.

    "The new cross encourages a new and entirely different evangelistic approach. The evangelist does not demand abnegation of the old life before a new life can be received. He preaches not contrasts but similarities. He seeks to key into the public view the same thing the world does, only a higher level. Whatever the sin-mad world happens to be clamoring after at the moment is cleverly shown to be the very thing the gospel offers, only the religious product is better.

    "The new cross does not slay the sinner; it re-directs him. I gears him to a cleaner and jollier way of living, and saves his self-respect...The Christian message is slanted in the direction of the current vogue in order to make it acceptable to the public.

    "The philosophy back of this kind of thing may be sincere, but its sincerity does not save it from being false. It is false because it is blind. It misses completely the whole meaning of the cross. The old cross is a symbol of DEATH. It stands for the abrupt, violent end of a human being. The man in Roman times who took the cross and started down the road has already said goodbye to his friends. He was not coming back. He was not going out to have his life re-directed; he was going out to have it ended. The cross made no compromise; modified nothing; spared nothing. It slew all of the man completely, and for good. It did not try to keep on good terms with the victim. It struck cruel and hard, and when it had finished its work, the man was no more.

    "The race of Adam is under the death sentence. There is no commutation and no escape. God cannot approve any fruits of sin, however innocent they may appear, or beautiful to the eyes of men. God salvages the individual by liquidating him, and then raising him again to newness of life.

    "That evangelism which draws friendly parallels between the ways of God and the ways of men is false to the Bible and cruel to the souls of its hearers. The faith of Christ does not parallel the world; it intersects it. In coming to Christ we do not bring our old life to a higher plane; we leave it at the cross....

    "We, who preach the gospel, must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, or the world of sports, or modern entertainment. We are not diplomats, but prophets; and our message is not a compromise, but an ultimatum."

    A. W. Tozer~The Biblical Evangelist, November 1, 1991, p. 11.

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    Is He right?
     
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    I think so, in fact I know so. I suppose there has always been apostasy but it seems that it has taken over some mainline denominations and is making inroads into the Baptists under the guise of contemporary worship. As was reported on the SBC thread the SBC is supposedly out of step with todays culture, the implication being that it must march lock step. What it did not say is that if it marches lockstep with todays culture it will march straight into the jaws of hell, the lake of fire.

    I believe that is similar to what Tozer is saying. [I am sure that someone will correct me if I am wrong.] I have a number of books by Tozer. Unfortunately I have not read enough of them. I believe MacArthur makes a similar point in his book Reckless Faith[/f] though it has been several years since I have read that book. I have heard he goes further in Truth Wars which I have not read.
     
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    A book that is really an eye opener is deceived on purpose the New Age Implications of the Purpose Driven Church by Warren Smith.I attend a small country SBC and my Pastor is about 80 and still Preaches from the KJV.He says when the Cross is not in a Pastors message along with a message of what Christ done for us and why it is no longer the Bibles message.

    He says many has tried to get him preaching from different bible versions.He tells them the KJV has not failed him in 62 years why change if it has not failed him?

    My Pastor is really concerned about the direction of the SBC`s are taking.He feels like the verse below and says its been happening sincethe 1980`s since old Pastors are being replaced with the younger generation.

    {Acts 20:29} For I know this,that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you,not sparing the flock.


    I think it went full force with the printing of Scofield`s Bible.


    God bless you in Jesus.

    Steven.
     
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    But he couldn't preach a message from Acts 20:29 because it violates his mantra:

    He says when the Cross is not in a Pastors message along with a message of what Christ done for us and why it is no longer the Bibles message.

    Secondly I think its pretty sad to call a majority of SBC pastors "wolves in sheep's clothing".

    Who knows, perhaps the SBC will be better off when the 80 year old KJVO legalists depart the SBC. Two sides to every coin.
     
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    I am not a KJV only person. I own perhaps 8-10 other versions, one being the 1590 Geneva bible in modern English and another a 1611 KJV. I still prefer the KJV. Why? because I trust it. I believe that God preserves His word and the KJV, though with modifications, has been around about 400 years.

    Some of the newer translations are really paraphrases and from what I have seen of the SBC Holman Bible I would not have it in my house.

    But this is really off topic though the abundance of study Bibles out there of one sort or another may contribute to the problem.
     
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    And the Vulgate in different forms has been around a lot longer than that new kid on the block -- the KJV.

    Asiade from the old Living Bible of 40 years ago -- just exactly which ones are paraphrases?

    You are being so unreasonable here. Just what is so bad about the HCSB? God approves of it -- you should too. On 2/11/09 you said:"Haven't read much of thew HCSB." I take it that you haven't increased your reading of the same.
     
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    There is an entire forum for translation issues.
     
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    But you take your life in your hands, no you put your life in the hands of someone else when you go there; so I have heard.
     
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    Rippon

    I am not going to argue with you about translations, I read some of your comments on the Translations Forum and believe such would be counter productive.

    You can read and trust what you like and I will do the same. From reading some of your other posts I assume you are a mature Christian and able to make mature judgments. So am I!
     
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    Uh, speaking of the OP, Tozer was right when he wrote it, and it's just as valid today.
     
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    It's been right for about 2,000 years. Even before there was a "Bible".
     
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    ASV 1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one.​

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    If
    A. the kjv is trust worthy becasue of it's age, 400 years,
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    B. the vulgate is much older,
    then...
    we should all be reading the vulgate by the reasoning of A. If this is not true, then A. can not be true either.
     
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    Your reasoning is faulty. You must remember who is the father of the Vulgate.

    Do you believe God preserves His Word?

    But getting back to the OP!
     
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    I know this is off topic and I apologize but when you say God approves of the HCSB I want to know how do you figure this?

    Many dedicated Southern Baptist cringes at the thought that their [HCSB]originates from the same greek and hebrew manuscripts as the Jehovah`s Witness New World Translation (NWT)The (HCSB) as the (NWT)undermines the deity of Jesus Christ,salvation by grace through faith and many other key bible doctrines.


    God bless you In Jesus.

    Steven.
     
  16. Mexdeaf

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    This is turning into another "my version can beat up your version" thread. It should be moved or closed.
     
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