Featured The Olivet Discourse in Mt 24 & Lk 21

Historical premil!

At least you and i would see future events from a more lietral viewpoint then our reformed bethren and pretierist who see it thru "spiritualized glasses!"

 

One could just as well say that the interpretation of the Discourse based upon either Amil or pretierist views are inherintly flawed due to being spirtualised !

Just saying have to learn and the verses and see which fits the contex right, regardless IF dispy or not!

 

let me give it the try!

post Mils would hold that the Church is the Kingdom of God upon the earth , and that the church is extending forth the Kingdom into the earth, and that happens by transformation culture/society by spreading the Gospel, having God placed back into society etc...

Gradually the earth and systems are coming back under the Lordship of christ, and once enough has been done, then the Lord Jesus returned!

Amil hold that Christ is reigning in spirtual sense in his millinium, started at his ascension to the father, satan was bound, and that at his returning there will be immediate judgement, with new heavens/earth set up... as they would see the church now being "spiritual isreal"

BOTh affirm that there will be a resurrection of saints to glorification, sinners to final judgement!

Is that close?

 

You apparently need to brush up on amillennialism and preterism! I don't believe either one "spiritualizes" [whatever that means] Matthew 24.

You got me!

 

1] the church is not the kingdom

2] God's kingdom is worldwide

3] Local churches exist within the Kingdom

4] Jesus reigns in heaven Now as Lord and Christ

5]Jesus rules and reigns in the midst of his enemies

Yes...as the gospel is preached the kingdom or reign of God is made known to the nations,as John the Baptist announced , the Kingdom of God is at hand. A proper response to the gospel, by God given new birth , results in local church growth.....

This overall concept is correct, but here is where the view gets distorted!

It is not a christianization of society...by the teaching of morality....the transformation takes place by more and more people being converted by the Spirit of God. Post mill writers and teachers see the gospel as being victorious in that the majority of the world becomes coverted....not just externally, but internally...

The whole earth is under His Lordship as believers, or rebels....nevertheless he is Lord.
Some post mill see the final thousand year period as a time with a majority of christians being alive on earth...others see it as the whole period since the cross.

No...
There is a literal reign from heaven now.Jesus is literally reigning.The reign is visibly expressed in the church. While the kingdom of God is within us by new birth....it is also expressed literally and visibly in the world.

some amill,and some postmill see new heaven and new earth as speaking of this age under kingdom rule and administration. Jesus as KING of kings.

the see that physical israel had spiritual israel within it, they see that now christian israel has merged with spiritual israel to form one new man, which was always central in God's focus.......Physical israel was not meant to be the focus.......the ONE NEW MAN....was always the focus.

Now...JF....Do you know what verses would be offered to support these ideas?
When you know some of the main verses and see where they are in scripture,and you can see that a biblical case can be made for the view---then you are in better position to make a determination which view you see as biblical:thumbs::wavey:

 

Do you hold that jesus is fully reigning now here upon the earth, even though this worldis under the control of satan, as regards to current world order/system?

that Christians are being butchered world wide, and that there is massive famines, natural disastors etc?

My bible states that when jesus ushers in his messaniac reign, that ALL of that would have ceased...

So how can he be reigning as prophecied would be at his second Coming now?

 

already... not yet

 

the Kingdom is here partially, and will be ushered in fully a tSecond Coming?

is that what you are saying?

'partially realised eschatology?"

 

Just where in your Bible does it say Jesus Christ ushers in His Messianic Reign?

 

JF,
I do want you to offer the scriptures the post and amill view would offer...at least 3-5 main ones, otherwise you will continue to just ignore what they offer from scripture and not really understand the basis of the views.

Jesus reigns from the throne in heaven,over all the earth.

Yes...look here.....
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

All the sin and evil take place as Jesus reigns in the MIDST of His enemies...in verse 9-11 Jesus is well aware of saints being put to death, and more who are allowed to be put to death.

Everyones bible states the same verses. Those who hold another view must account for each verse.

Which verses do you think say this??

The reign is not what you expect it to be.



5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?

7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.