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The Only Bible That Can Be Trusted

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by stilllearning, Jun 16, 2008.

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  1. tinytim

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    If I list every version of the Word of God, My post count will increase dramatically... this is better than the games section...
     
  2. tinytim

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    I trust and stand on the NASB

    OK.. I'll quit now..

    Please excuse me, I am feeling my cheerios this morning..
     
  3. tinytim

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    It was good! Did you take that photo, or find it... I would be a storm chaser if my wife allowed me to!.... but something about it being dangerous worries her.
     
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    Using this logic and line of thinking, we can't "take a stand" on any english translation since the original autographs were not written in english.

    It's not the words that mean anything...it's the message the words convey.
     
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  5. stilllearning

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    Hi pinoybaptist

    Great to hear from you.

    The purpose of this post, is to point out the great importance of being able to “take a stand” on whatever Bible you trust, weather it be the KJV or the NIV etc.

    When you said.......
    This is the lie that some people, would have us believe. (“That there is not a Bible anywhere, that we can trust.”)

    Please, reconsider about placing your trust in God’s Word.

    It is essential that we have a written Word, that we can trust our eternity to.
     
  6. stilllearning

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    Hi tinytim

    I saw a glimmer of hope, when you said.......
    “Great, I do trust the NIV.”


    But then you followed it up with......
    “I also trust and stand on the NET”


    And I am sorry to hear that.

    Please, pick one or the other.
     
  7. dan e.

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    Hmmm....the problem I'm having with the possible intentions of the OP is that it may be borderline idolatry.

    Define for me, "take a stand"? Is this some kind of "let's gett'r done", motivational, type slogan? What are you meaning, take a stand?
     
  8. stilllearning

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    Hi again webdog

    You said......
    Well I sure wish, the original autographs still existed, but they don’t. God saw fit, to allow them to turn to dust. But we must trust that God was able to preserve His Word for us(what ever language we may speak).

    This is the kind of trust, that is required to “take a stand”, on your Bible(what ever it is). And this is the very kind of trust, that is under attack, right now.
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    You also said.....
    By the way, this is the mantra of all those people that are attacking the integrity of God’s Word. -It is a lie!-
     
  9. Cutter

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    I googled tornado pictures and this is one that I liked. I was in an actual tornado in 73. We had to rebuild from the ground up. Traumatized me for years afterward, but it also played a role in me turning to and seeking the Lord. :thumbs:

    Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
     
  10. annsni

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    Why must we pick one? Is God so limited that He can only use one version? Just as He used only one prophet? One apostle? One pastor? One man? One woman?

    If a Bible is truly the Word of God, it says the same as every other version that is the Word of God. My NIV says the same thing as my ESV but maybe with some different words that have the same meaning. "We're having spaghetti and spaghetti sauce" is the same as "We're having pasta and sauce". My family knows just what that means. We as God's family, with the Holy Spirit in us, knows just what the words of the Word means. They are no different - there is no different Gospel - there is no different God in any of the valid translations from today or yesterday.

    Am I Ann? Annie? Mom? Mama? Wifey? Honey? Each word is different but means the same thing - me. Which name do I stand on? All of them.
     
  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    The entire logic is flawed. So your contention is that God may have some 200 Bibles in English?

    Can JWs trust their NWT?

    If someone chooses a paraphrase like the Living Bible can they trust that?

    Every man is to do what is right in his own eyes?
     
  12. stilllearning

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    Hi dan e

    You said....
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    I have no ulterior motives.

    All I am asking, is for Christians, to “take a stand”, in the same spirit of.....

    and

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    All this starts, by “Taking a stand” for your Bible!

    If you can’t do that, all is lost.
     
  13. dan e.

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    Still a little vague for me. Are you trying to apply 2 Thess. to standing on one translation?????

    I'll "take a stand" for Jesus....which is taught about in the Bible. But I sure won't take a stand for one translation over anything else.....which as I mentioned earlier, is borderline idolatry IMO.
     
  14. stilllearning

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    Hi Ann

    Nice to here from you......

    You asked........
    Well here is just one example of the different words they use.....

    Are these all saying the same thing?!?

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    Note: (It was when I used this same example in a different post, I realized the importance of taking a stand on “one” Bible.)

    It is more important than you realize.
     
  15. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Is is not "more important that you realise."

    You are speaking of translations of the Bible - not Bibles.

    You must find a good solid translation and study it with what manuscripts we have and compare the translation with other translations.
     
  16. stilllearning

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    Hi C4K

    You said.......
    My logic is flawed, only if you put words in my mouth. I never said that “God has given us 200 Bibles in English?” Man did that.

    What I am saying, is that Christianity is under attack. And the enemy is attacking us at our foundation. (God’s Word)

    And the tricky way in which he is attacking it, is by convincing us that somehow God allowed His Word to be lost. And that we don’t(can’t) have it.

    That is a lie.
     
  17. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    You said everyone can pick their own Bible and stick with it. Every one can do what is right in their own eye.

    You are equating translations with Bibles. There are many translations of the Bible. Some are good, some are average, some are not so good, and some are horrible.

    We have English translations since at least the 13th century. As the language has changed new translations have reflected that change in the English language. God preserves His word as the language changes and grows.

    I love the history of the English language, but I would have a hard time reading

    "Therfor Y boundun for the Lord biseche you, that ye walke worthili in the clepyng, in which ye ben clepid, with al mekenesse and myldenesse, with pacience supportinge ech other in charite, bisi to kepe vnyte of spirit in the boond of pees. 4 O bodi and o spirit, as ye ben clepid in oon hope of youre cleping; o Lord, o feith, o baptym, o God and fadir of alle, which is aboue alle men, and bi alle thingis, and in vs alle. But to ech of vs grace is youun bi the mesure of the yyuyng of Crist; for which thing he seith, He stiynge an hiy, ledde caitifte caitif, he yaf yiftis to men.

    in my devotions tomorrow morning.

    No one here would say that we can't have God's word. On the other hand most would say we can have it in our own 21st century language.
     
  18. superwoman8977

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    I read the Amplified Version!
     
  19. stilllearning

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    Hi again dan e

    You said......
    No, I am talking about the Word of God. And how the Word of God, is more than just an idea, it is real. It is something that we can read and study.

    And I am asking people, to take a stand(if they can), for the “one” Bible that they use.

    So far, from the responses that I am getting, almost no body can.

    Now does that automatically mean, that I am wrong, simply because everybody(so far), disagrees with me? No.

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    As Christians, we must have a written record of God’s Word, that we can read and study on our own. Those who don’t have this, are only basing their faith, on what some man says, and not on God’s Word!
     
  20. annsni

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    Well, that is a passage with VERY questionable heritage. Here is a good comment from "The King James Version Only Controversy" by James R. White:

    "The Comma Johanneum is extremely important. Here we have a phrase that everyone will admit is manifestly orthodox. What is says is obviously true. Yet we are in no way dependent upon the phrase for our knowledge of the Trinity or the unity of the three Persons: Father, Son, and Spirit. The doctrine of the Trinity does not stand or fall upon the inclusion of the Comma. Beyond this, however, we have a phrase that is simply not a part of the ancient Greek manuscripts of John's first epistle. The few manuscripts that contain the phrase are very recent, and half of these have the reading in the margin. The phrase appears only in certain of the Latin versions. "

    In other words, while the KJV translation of the verse is most probably not what was in the original autographs, it still is orthodox and we can agree on it. Does that one verse make one version 'the Word of God' and another not? No. I still will stand on the KJV AND the NASB or ESV or NIV.
     
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