THE PASSION OF ADAM AND EVE! NOW PLAYING AT A THEATER NEAR YOU!

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  1. Lacy Evans

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    THE PASSION OF ADAM AND EVE! NOW PLAYING AT A THEATER NEAR YOU!
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    Warning: Rated-R for graphic sexual content and nudity. Parents please be
    advised to research this movie before viewing it with small children.
    Language is in ancient Hebrew.

    In the February 15th, _______ edition of the "The Laodicean Times," a
    lengthy interview with the Rev.______ appeared concerning the
    controversial movie, "The Passion of Adam and Eve." This interview is
    reproduced below for our readers:

    "Churches across the country are buying up tickets to see 'THE PASSION OF
    ADAM AND EVE.' Who would have ever guessed that so many conservative
    Christians would support a movie with the sensuous, teen pop idol _____,
    starring as Eve? Nevertheless some of the most conservative pastors from
    America's largest churches have come out in support of this movie. Rev.
    ____, usually known for his fiery rhetoric, stated:

    "We understand that some people will not approve of the graphic nudity in
    this film. Yet, I have spoken to Ms. _____, the producer, and she really
    has a heart for our young people. Many will call this pornography.
    However, we feel that this movie will do wonders in the hearts of our
    young people. It will show them that true marriage is between a man and a
    woman. This is how God originally designed it. Now, I don't want to lie to
    you. This movie is graphic. It seeks to capture the marriage bed in its
    original, pristine purity in Paradise. This is how sex was before it was
    corrupted by people with impure minds in our culture. Some parents may not
    want to bring their preteens to see this movie. However, we are taking our
    whole youth group. We want them to FEEL what it was like in the Garden of
    Eden when Adam "knew" his wife. This may be the most important movie ever
    made. This movie may bring a revival of traditional morality to our land."

    Reporter: "But Rev._____, how would you respond to the recent attacks on
    this movie by Pastor_____?"

    "Well, I say that there will always be some Christians, and they are in
    the minority, who are still living in the 1950's. The Bible says, 'to the
    pure, all things are pure.' And if they cannot see this movie as a
    glorification of God's original design for marriage, then perhaps they
    should not see it. But we feel, and my popular Christian psychologist
    friend, the famous, Dr.______, agrees, that what we need is something like
    this to wake up our churches. You know, we certainly expected the feminist
    and homosexual organizations to be against Ms.______, the producer (who by
    the way, is a wonderful Catholic), but we are very disappointed in people
    like Pastor_____. From what I hear, he has not even viewed the movie. His
    critiques are from negative reviews from Ms._____ 's enemies. From what I
    read, in his nitpicking, he has even attacked the fact that Eve is being
    portrayed as originally having short hair! He also venomously attacks the
    movie for portraying Adam and Eve as originally created simultaneously as
    bi-sexual (the sexes appearing when Adam was divided into). He also does
    not like the fact that God is portrayed as bi-sexual, warning Eve not to
    obey her husband, etc. While we are agreement that most of this is not in
    the originals, and we regret the fact that Ms._____ did not stay closer to
    the Biblical text, we feel that such minor errors do not take away from
    the overall good this movie will do in reestablishing some of the better
    parts of traditional morality to our hurting land."

    Reporter: "Do you have any final thoughts, Rev.____?"

    "Just one. You know, you and I would not even be here if it were not for
    Adam and Eve having sexual relations. Therefore, how some people can class
    a movie graphically portraying the pure sex of Adam and Eve as pornography
    is beyond me! Many of the finest Christians in the Middle Ages, etc.,
    often used nudity in paintings, prints, etc. It is time that we separate
    impure nudity, from holy nudity. And I think Ms.______ has captured the
    sexual purity of the Garden of Eden like not other will be able to do for
    some time. I applaud her. And I stand by her. And I am sorrowed by the
    attacks upon her. The Pope has come out in support of her, but a few of
    the homosexual groups have attacked her. And, as you have already stated,
    a few legalistic Christians are nitpicking her work to death. But they
    will not do her any real damage. In the end, we know her work is being
    used by God to bring healing to our land. This is why we encourage every
    pastor to take their whole youth groups to see this movie."

    Reporter: "Thank you, Rev.____. You are obviously very passionate about
    this. And we wish you and your church well."

    [The above is a satire written by Joey Faust, Kingdom Baptist Church,
    http://www.KingdomBaptist.org]
     
  2. uhdum

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    I assume this is a knock on the Passion movie [​IMG]

    Let's check the web address... oh okay, checking the "what we believe" panel, at least I know where they are coming from.

    God bless.
     
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    I am trying to decide whether or not to comment on this one ;)
     
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    This is pretty stupid but sadly may have a point. Since we have endorsed and many have flocked to see an R rated passion film. What will keep hollywood from making an x rated film as listed in the satire or perhaps teh song of soloman. I sure hope not but did we ever dream we would see this. I saw a billboard yesterday promoting the annual passion play in Panama City and I thought why do we need to have this now. That is a real question, how does this film affect the future and what will it take to reach some of the people who saw this, will they demand more gore to satisfy their appetite? Last night there was a commentary on Fox which asked the question of whether there would be a sequal.
    Murph
     
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    The website from which this satire comes cries against the idea of "sermonettes based on the latest Hollywood movie."

    It seems to me that, regardless of one's opinion of the film, its cast, crew, and motivation for being made, we as Christians have a wonderful opportunity to use this to our advantage in reaching out to people. Whether one likes it or not, this film IS the talk of the entire nation right now. I believe that it is a Christian's duty and responsibility as a faithful steward of God to use every opportunity we can for sharing Christ. And by that, I do not mean that every church should sell out the theaters tonight for the Passion film (I personally like the film, but that is for another thread). What I mean is that you and I can take and use the opportunity that this film has provided to open doors to people who otherwise may not be interested in or know about what Jesus did for us.

    Blanket statements like I find on this web site irritate me, to be honest with you. In a blatant attempt to cry out against the evils of hollywood (of which there are many), this site, which preaches openly against theaters, movies, and owning televisions, takes a good premise (refraining from the immoral and filthy things found in Hollywood today) and stretches it to the old "guilt by association" measure... "Hollywood+plus Catholic director+support by mainstream Christian groups throughout nation=compromise with the world."

    God bless
     
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    Legalism abounds.
     
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    Explain this statement. Seems kid of judgmental.

    Lacy
     
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    Great argument! Rock solid! I wonder what the "what we believe" panel on Mr Gibson's church's web site says?

    "There is no salvation for those outside the [Catholic] Church…I believe it.”

    Mel Gibson
    The New Yorker, September 15, 2003

    . . .at least I know where they are coming from.


    Lacy
     
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    "Christians" who normally would not attend an 'R'-rated movie made an exception with this one.
     
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    Why put "Christians" in quotes? Are you implying that they are not really Christians?
     
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    Great argument! Rock solid! I wonder what the "what we believe" panel on Mr Gibson's church's web site says?

    "There is no salvation for those outside the [Catholic] Church…I believe it.”

    Mel Gibson
    The New Yorker, September 15, 2003

    . . .at least I know where they are coming from.


    Lacy
    </font>[/QUOTE]I wasn't talking about Mel Gibson. What I'm talking about is using the excitement and fervor (on both sides) created by the film to use in sharing Christ... the whole idea of "making the most of every opportunity." If you don't want to see the film or think it is in error, then that's fine; but don't miss this widely-open opportunity that we have to share with others while the whole nation's focus is on this movie. That is what bothered me about the site. It went out of its way to blast those who are using the film's interest to reach out.

    Since I try to understand where people come from in their beliefs (I have been around a variety of people in my life with different beliefs, as have you), I checked out the "what we believe" panel. When I realized that the site is an IFB site, I was able to understand more fully where they are coming from. That helped me understand a little better.

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    While I see some validity to your point, It seems to me that the "Hollywood+plus Catholic director+support by mainstream Christian groups throughout nation=compromise with the world."
    statement reeks of inconsistency. In other words, to the modern Christian it is very evil to be too "legalistic" (a very subjective term) about rated R movies and smut-TV but it is holy to be too "legalistic" about warning people of sin. The great "sin" of our day is speaking out against sin. "Legalism" is seen as a greater sin than going to a rated R movie and watching a couple hours of violent gore and blood, while munching on popcorn and candy hot-tamales. Forgive me if I go too far, but if I err let it be toward "legalism" (whatever that means) rather than Hollywood and Mother Rome.

    9-11 was a tremendous witnessing opportunity. Going door to door witnessing and sharing my testimony was never easier. We should take every opportunity. But 9-11 wasn't right and neither is this movie.

    Keep witnessing!

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    Pull in the fangs, ladies.
     
  14. All about Grace

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    Jesus might disagree with you on this one. He was much harder on the legalistic religionists than he was sinners.

    The sad reality is that I heard this type of statement made repeatedly in churces that sought to justify their man-made preferences as spiritually superior.

    Where's that vomit graemlin?
     
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    Amen!! Play nice or don't play. (that includes ladies and gentlemen)
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    Dear Bob and Mr Murphy,

    I'm not trying to be smart but I have a question. I have read over this thread several times and see no evidence of "fangs" or mean-spiritedness. Can you tell me specifically what behavior is so offensive so I (or whoever) can stop.

    Your (nice) brother, Lacy
     
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    Then consider it a premptive strike. [​IMG]
    For the most part that was my intent you will have to ask Dr. Bob for his particulars .
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    I stand premtively stricken, de-fanged and . . .er . . .Hey Dr Bob, do I have to be a lady? If so I'm outta here! :eek:

    Brother Lacy

    PS. Will somebody PLEASE define "legalism" Biblically!
     
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    Hey BroLacy~it's prolly da granny's post, as I've got some "fangs" 'round the word christian, haha! :rolleyes: [​IMG]
     
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    [snipped]

    Start hurling "legalist" at someone or puting "christian" in quotations (implying they are NOT "christian) and I should have shut down both.

    Consider this a warning to all. I am really really tired of syrup and piety being used as a guise for attack.

    [Personal attack by ME erased. The problem is still here, but I apologize for not handling it one-on-one with the individuals who used this language]

    [ March 04, 2004, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     

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