'The Passion' Sells 4.1 Million DVDs on first day

BornBaptist,

You have shown yourself immature (I did not start it). You were vulgar, you used filthy language. And that you refuse to repent speaks volumes about who you are. Even in the above post where I spoke to Gershom, you show that you are a derelect and cannot even be decent.

I will not address you again until you can show some Christian behavior. I would encourage others to do the same.

Bro Tony

 

Brother Tony,

Thank you for the kind words, my friend. I only want to do what is right in the sight of God, as I am sure all of us desire the same.

And to all,

I respect your position as you see it. We may disagree and that's okay.

 

What?? Bro. Tony was offering encouragement and a kind word. We would all do well to learn from it.

Proverbs 15:1
¶ A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.

I know I needed it.

 

BTW, Gershom,

I saw "The Passion" twice. clearly the Gospel of Christ's suffering was depicted. I also had some people respond to the Gospel after seeing the film, I am very grateful to God for that. What I referred to of the RCC influence was very subtle. I don't know if it would even be picked up by most people, especially unbelievers who have no ideas of these subtke additions. What I am referring to was the face of Christ on the veil of Veronica and Mary's almost mystic connection with Christ in His sufferings. I do not condemn this movie although I disagree with these subtle additions. I am thankful to God that He would use this movie to touch people's heart. I am thankful to God that He uses the foolishness of preaching (even mine) to touch other's hearts.

I hope all have a great day in Jesus today, and a great celebration in Him as you gather tomorrow.

Bro Tony

 

Mel Gibson admitted in several interviews that he included the visions of the nun; he has a relic that belonged to her and he admires her deeply, and he believes her visions (which I do not).

I think that incorporating the nun's visions into the story is sad and it causes these concerns for me:

Concern #1: Someone who has not read the Bible will think the events from the vision really happened and are in the Bible, and maybe be confused if they read the gospels and don't see that stuff there.

Concern #2: Mixing in just a little bit of falseness with truth is always dangerous, especially if it relates to Christ or the Bible.

Concern #3: I do believe the Lord is using this movie, but that does not make the movie okay. God can most certainly use all kinds of things, but because He uses them does not mean the product itself is good or valid.

Concern #4: God chose to give us the Bible in words. While making a movie of Biblical events is okay, imo, I think we need to be cautious and wary about any movie that incorporates non-Biblical elements. Also, I personally would rather use God's word as I have misgivings about the emotional effect of a movie causing a false conversion.

 

Marcia,

I cannot disagree with anything you wrote. I would not recommend the movie to anyone personally, but if they saw it I would take advantage to use what they saw to share the Gospel. It is clear God can use it, as He has. Do I think it is the best way for the Gospel to be shared? No.

Also, I have always had a concern about movies about Jesus. It seems that people actually begin to see the actor as Jesus. I read a couple of weeks ago that Jim C. who played Jesus was actually mobbed by a group of people calling him Jesus. I also remember a few years ago TBN promoting their virtual reality theater and a movie about Jesus and that at the end of the movie people are invited to receive the Jesus they just saw on the screen. I wonder how many put their faith in the actor rather than the true Jesus.

All in all, I would prefer to stay in the Word and let the Holy Spirit do the changing of hearts. Hollywood, no matter how sincere, cannot improve on God's Word and His power.

Bro Tony

 

Bro Tony, good post!

Agree with all your points!

 

This is suppose to be a Christian board, Baptist at that. I personally cannot believe some of the things that I am seeing here. No one is righteous and I certainly am not....Let's remember what the fruit of the spirit is. How would we speak to Jesus if we were with him? How would it look to a lost soul who just decided to take a look at the board and saw all the nasty arguments? What exactly would they want with the Christian faith if we "Christians" are no different than the rest of the world....or what they already have. This is not directed at any one person, just a general statement. Most of the topics have been a good read.....just shocked at some of the posts, that's all. God bless, everyone have a good weekend.

 

Agreed Bro Tony, simply stating that others started it is no excuse for our own behaviour, When people post things that are cleary wrong to do, it is good to see those that do have the courage to put things right and genuinley apologise. It is interesting to see that some of the friendships here are from people that have apologised openly to one another on the board, that is a powerfull witness of Christ in their lives.

 

rated R no one under 17 ???? Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto me..... just an observation, thanks joe......sorry for the interuption.

 

I think that the rating on the movie was for the violence. It was pretty bad, but that is the way it was. Although I don't want my youngest children to see it. I'm wanting my oldest to watch it to realize what Jesus went though for all of us

 

I can't believe anyone here would speak ill of the "greatest outreach opportunity in 2,000 years"

 

hehehehe... Spoken like a true pharasee...

 

It's Pharisee and the definition is: A hypocritically self-righteous person. That certainly doesn't fit either Bro. Tony or Gershom.

My DVD arrived in yesterday's mail. I hadn't gone down to get it because I've been a little under the weather with ear infections and a cold.

I won't allow my soon to be 10 year old to watch it only because Nick is very sensitive to the pain of others and the mistreatment of our Lord was very graphic. I've seen the movie 3 times at the theater.

Diane

 

This quote has been repeated three times in the last two pages. It is totally unnecessary. It is also name-calling which needs to stop. Further such speech will be deleted, as per the rules of the Baptist Board:

BornBaptist is entitled to his opinion whether or not you agree with him. In this country we have freedom of speech. On this board we do not have freedom to personally attack other memebers as you agreed to when you joined.
DHK

 

DHK,

Maybe you didn't have the opportunity to read his posts that were deleted. It may have been freedom of speech, but it was completely out of line in its vulgarity and threats.

 

BTW, I have a copy of the posts if you would like to read them.

 

As do the moderators have your personal attacks and name calling of myself.

You started the out of line behavour, not I.

You're apologies were accepted, however, I feel they were a weak attempt at keeping the moderators happy. In other words, you didn't mean a word of them.

Further more, I question your so-called "Baptist" background, you call yourself a Baptist, But accept and are open to a Movie that Exalts the Virgin Mary to that of sainthood, Any Bible Believing Baptist would know this... So, out with it, are you in fact a Baptist or some other denomination???

Inquiring Minds want to know.

-BornBaptist

 

I have the entire conversation for all who want to read it, inlcuding my posts. I wouldn't call my attacks vulgar nor threating. Salty or sarcastic, maybe. But certainly not filthy.

I started by calling you a name, yes. And I apologized. And my apology was sincere. I apologize to you again. But you continue to prove yourself unrepentant for your own behaviour and vulgarity and threats toward myself and in the presence of the brethren. Can't you apologize for your vulgar speech, if not to me, at least to the ones who had to read it?

The movie does not exalt Mary in that manner. But yes, she was in fact a virgin as far as the birth of our Lord. And yes, she is a saint as all believers are. Read your Bible.

I am a Baptist. But unlike you, I was not "BornBaptist" - however that happened.

 

C'mon BB,

The Passion exalts Mary to "sainthood?" Who told you that?

Now if the film had depicted Jesus telling us all to venerate relics, pray the rosary and have statues of Mary then I'd be right there with you in opposing it. But it suggested none of this.

What it did do was show what kind of awful torture Jesus endured for us. Why do you have a problem with that?