The people powering the Paul phenomenon

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  1. poncho

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    College students, old-line conservatives, anti-globalists back contender


    DES MOINES, Iowa - Four college pals, John Lindley, Jeff Shipley, Brad Jahner, and Daniel Krauss, got a chance to whoop, holler and raise the roof Saturday. The four boisterous Iowan guys cheered on their hero, Republican presidential contender Ron Paul, as he addressed a rally in Des Moines.

    “I think he’s probably the only candidate who can make big enough changes in our government to save us from economic breakdown,” said Lindley after hearing Paul.



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  2. carpro

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    I would hardly call his candidacy a "phenomenon". The phenomenon, if there is one, is where he is drawing some of his most vocal support from.

    It appears a number of young people that "back him" are actually liberals and wouldn't vote for him in an election against a democrat if you held a gun to their heads.
     
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    What do you think about this Ken?
     
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    A couple of notes, Poncho.


    A. "Flying in from Florida to make the case for Paul was his ally, Dr. Chuck Baldwin, pastor of the Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola."

    B. 'But some pastors are struggling with Paul’s position that Israel would be better off if it pursued a policy independent of U.S. aid and U.S. restraint.
    Pastor Jim Hartman, who heads an Assemblies of God church in Conrad, Iowa, told Paul, “It seems like what drives the Christian right is the idea that we need to defend Israel.”
    “I don’t think we do Israel any favors and we actually weaken them” by generous U.S. aid, Paul replied. “It’s like spoiling your child.”'

    Those two quotations are from your linked article, Poncho, as you know.

    Since Baldwin was the preacher candidate for Vice-President on the Constitutional Party ticket in 2004, does this mean that the Constitution Party is now joining with the GOP or does it mean that the Constitution Party is joining with the Libertarians? Is the Constitution Party going out of business?

    Secondly, recognition and support for Israel as a nation was actually started by President Harry Truman when he diplomatically recognized Israel as a nation. This would be a Democrat achievement. Would not the election of Ron Paul signal the withdrawal of US diplomatic recognition of Israel and the destruction of Israel by the Arabs in line with Ron Paul's stated foreign policy intentions?
     
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    What are the Arabs going to do CMG, march into Israel and occupy the country? C'mon you're giving Israel way to little credit if you think thata way. You just love the globalist and Israeli control over the US of A (and it's government and media) and loath freedom, just admit it be done with it already.
     
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    1) No.

    2) No. The Arabs know that they cannot take on Israel and its nuclear arsenal. Ron Paul has no intention of seeing Israel destroyed.
     
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    Got any proof or is that just your opinion, carpro?
     
  8. KenH

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    Also, in the article:

    "He[Hartman] said he now feels “humble and I feel kind of bad that I haven’t done a better job of being faithful to Ron Paul’s kind of integrity.”
     
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    It's a quite good, article, poncho. I would bet that Cisco is a Paul supporter, too. :)

    Christians and non-Christians who support the constitutional principles of a limited national government should support Congressman Ron Paul. End of sentence. Drop one's voice.
     
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    This just is beyond comprehension, Poncho. The USA has given billions of dollars to Israel and continues to give a few billion dollars to Israel each year. It is clearly Ron Paul's foreign policy objective to stop this foreign aid. That will lead to the collapse of Israel, as we all know.
     
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    Since foreign aid unrelated to the security of these United States is unconstitutional that would be a good thing.

    Don't worry, cmg. Ron Paul will never be president of these United States. You can ignore him. Even if he did become president unless the influence of AIPAC over the U.S. Congress was somehow overcome U.S. foreign aid for Israel would continue.
     
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    It's quite simple, foreign aid is unconstitutional always has been and Israel isn't going to collapse without it...read your bible. Israel will still be there when the US of A is gone.
     
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    As a non-premillennialist I have always found it interesting that even though the premillennialists believe their eschatological talking points about the modern political state of Israel they wring their hands over these United States stopping their subsidization of Israel. It makes me wonder where their faith really is with regards to their eschatological viewpoint.
     
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    Oh, I am way ahead of Pastor Hartman, Ken. I already know that Ron Paul will do what he says he will do: allow abortion in states like California, allow same-sex marriage where adopted by the states, cut and run from Iraq, abandon allies like Israel, let federal prisoners escape the death penalty, legalize drugs, legalize prostitution....
     
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    Yeah, it's never been attempted before.

    You'd think if the Jews controlled the American media, they'd give themselves better press.
     
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    I agree with your last statement, but honestly did not know the constitution forbids foreign aid. Since the constitution has a lot of language only a lawyer could love, could you point me in the direction, where I could find this mentioned ?
     
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    Church Mouse Guy stated(my replies in bold): Ron Paul will do what he says he will do:

    allow abortion in states like California Good. I support federalism.

    allow same-sex marriage where adopted by the states Good. I support federalism.

    cut and run from Iraq Good. I support non-interventionism in our foreign policy.

    abandon allies like Israel Good. Non-U.S. security related foreign aid is unconstitutional.

    let federal prisoners escape the death penalty Good. I support the death penalty but I have no problem with life imprisonment as an alternative.

    legalize drugs Good. The consentual actions of government are none of the national government's business.

    legalize prostitution Good. The consentual actions of adults are none of the national government's business.
     
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    Well, you must be against the giving of military aid to England against Hitler, then?
     
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    Yes, and the Arabs got their clocked cleaned. And that was before Israel developed its nuclear arsenal. And the Arabs do not doubt the Israel would use it if they thought it was necessary.
     
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    Actually, the U.S. constitution is pretty clearly written. In this instance, all you have to do is read Article I, Section 8.
     

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