The Pipeline War: Russian bear goes for West's jugular

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  1. poncho

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    "The war in Georgia escalated dangerously last night after Russian jets reportedly bombed a vital pipeline that supplies oil to the West.

    After a day of heightening international tensions, Georgian leaders claimed that the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, which transports oil from the Caspian Sea to Turkey, had been attacked. But it is thought the bombs missed their target.

    Their claims came after Russian jets struck deep into the territory of its tiny neighbour, killing civilians and ‘completely devastating’ the strategic Black Sea port of Poti, a staging post for oil and other energy supplies.

    Reports last night also said that Russia had bombed the international airport in Tbilisi."

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    Georgia is one our "client states" if I'm not mistaken.

    I should put a warning here. Warning graphic scenes of people suffering can be found in this article.

    Some related articles...

    "Dead civilians in South Ossetia. But you will not hear much about it on CNN or Faux News. Because they are too busy reporting ad nauseam about the extramarital shenanigans of CFR darling John Edwards.

    In order to find out what’s really going on in Georgia, you have to read the international press on the internet. Bush, McCain, and Obama may cast blame on Russia, but reading the international press you get a different perspective."


    SOURCE...

    Fox News Host Refuses To Talk about Russia-Georgia War.

    Pravda: War between Russia and Georgia orchestrated from USA

    Fighting with Russia spreads to cities across Georgia


    Shelling of South Ossetia capital stopped

    Over 10 Russian peacekeepers killed in S.Ossetia-agencies


    U.S.-Georgia training begins amid Russia strain

    The Petals Fall Off The Rose

    Georgia : The Rose Revolution has wilted

    Georgia's Rose Revolution: A Participant's Perspective


    Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia

    And last but not least the begging has already started for the NWO (international community) to step in and take control of the situation it helped to create.

    Web Portal on Human Rights in Georgia









     
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    It does look like Russia is making a counter move

    Bush has armed and trained Georgia to the teeth and they are chompin at the bit to use it and have gained military confidence in Iraq.

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    President Saakashvili of Georgia thought that he had the West on his side but he has been outsmarted by Vladimir Putin, the Russian Prime Minister, who now holds all the cards.

    Although Mr Saakashvili has had American military personnel training his army to serve in Iraq, there was never any question of Washington taking on the Russians on his behalf.

    The military adventure had all the hallmarks of rushed planning and a fingers-crossed strategy, launched in the hope and expectation that the Russians would not react, but that if they did, the Americans and Georgia’s other Nato friends would come to his aid in one form or another. With President Bush at the Beijing Olympics, was, perhaps, the US eye off the ball when the Russians moved in?



    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4500160.ece
     
  4. NiteShift

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    A few military trainers does not a client state make. The bulk of Georgia's equipment is old Russian planes & weapons.

    They created the situation themselves, not George Bush, not "The NWO". Does Georgia not have the right to put down rebellion in one of it's own provinces?
     
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    Brother Lunichkin writes:
    War. Her expected. To reflection of an attack from Georgia, power structures of South Ossetia prepared all. Prepared, but that that has occured{happened} perhaps did not expect. Late at night, on August, 8th, 2008, capital of South Ossetia the city of Tshinval and nearby villages to it{him;them} from Georgia have undergone to mass bombardment from all kinds of arms, including and assault aircraft. In some hours about 70 % of city has ruined. According to the president of not recognized republic Edward Kokojty was lost more than 1400 person. A lot of wounded. The republican hospital is completely destroyed. In city there is no potable water. Will pick up food stuffs. Tears also cry around.
    Survived, gone through horror of night bombardment by a chain were pulled to Northern Ossetia. Women, children and old men. Men have remained to be at war. The truth till now in city Tskhinvali and villages of South Ossetia of the peace population still more very many. To leave native places they do not want. Refugees from South Ossetia allocate in Southern Federal District. A part of children have accepted in the Rostov Area and Krasnodar territory. But the majority of refugees has stopped in Northern Ossetia. Them have distributed{allocated} in boarding houses and children's bases. The North-Osetiya Mission of Christian Mercy, under the request of the Government of South Ossetia has started rendering the necessary help.
    In Tskhinvali there are Protestant churches. Our brothers and sisters. The majority of them remains in the besieged city. Six months ago, I together with group " Footpath " of Vladikavkaz have visited these churches. We have lead evangelical service in the city house of culture, in the prayful house of evangelical Christians of baptists, and church of Christians of belief evangelical. We have visited{attended} requiring Christians with one purpose: to inspire, encourage and support{maintain} spiritually. Some members of church EHB " Hope " from Vladikavkaz monthly visited South Ossetia. They delivered the necessary humanitarian help and New Precepts. Owing to Institute of Translation{Transfer} of the Bible, and the International Bible Society, prior to the beginning of operations, 15000 New Precepts in ossetic language have been printed. Thirst to the Word of the God has not run low. People in turn stood up for « heavenly bread ».
    Now I am in Northern Ossetia. We plan to render the help to refugees and the inhabitants who have remained in South Ossetia. Rendering the necessary humanitarian help, members of church of the Russian Union of Evangelical Christians of Baptists through affairs of mercy preaches Gospel Christ. And it will console and will calm broken hearts.

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    I pray that peace will return quickly to your region and that God will richly bless your work.
     
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    "The Russian news website Izvestia is reporting that an African American soldier/mercenary has been captured by Russian forces. He was captured with a number of Georgian soldiers, whose specialty was in handling ordinances. The report mentions that they believe he is a Nato instructor, and that he has been transferred to the Russian base of Vladikavkaz."

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    Another report from the Russia daily Kommersant states that thousands of mercenaries from numerous different countries are fighting on the Georgian side and are being “commanded by the U.S. military instructors.”

    “The U.S. military instructors directly command and coordinate actions of mercenaries without being involved in actual fighting, the source specified. According to intelligence data, there are roughly 1,000 military instructors of the United States in Georgia,” states the report.

    “Task force of Russia has annihilated a few groups of mercenaries. Some of mercenaries have been captured, and investigators are working with them, the source said.”

    In a related development, Russia FSB has detained 10 Georgian intelligence service officers who were allegedly preparing terrorist attacks inside Russia.

    “We have detained 10 agents of the Georgian special services who were spying on military facilities and preparing terrorist attacks, including on Russian territory,” Alexander Bortnikov said at a meeting with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.

    Georgia resumes shelling of S. Ossetia

    Did the U.S. Prep Georgia for War with Russia?


    Georgia: Gori evacuated as fears of Russian advance into Georgia grow

    US hampering Russian peace efforts – Putin

    War in the Caucasus: Towards a Broader Russia-US Military Confrontation?

    Moscow accuses NATO of having "encouraged Georgia" to attack South Ossetia

    U.S., Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Ukraine conduct exercise in Georgia

    Chris Hedges: America’s Holy Warriors

    The BBC is deliberately distorting the News from the Georgia Region


    Israel and the US behind the Georgian aggression?

    Petraeus: US is flying Georgian troops into battle zone


    Peacekeepers leave army base inside Georgia

    Russia brushes aside ceasefire calls after Georgia withdraws

    Russia moves into Georgian territory, rejects Security Council draft resolution

    [FONT=Helvetica, Arial, San Sarif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, San Sarif][FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]For a country that is slightly smaller than South Carolina, with only 4.6 million citizens, Georgia receives a staggering amount of military support from the United States. [/FONT][/FONT]

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    Russian jets bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility. The Russian warplanes also struck near the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, which carries Caspian crude to the West…Russia also sent a naval squadron to blockade Georgia's Black Sea coast. LINK

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    GORI, Georgia (AP) - Russia captured the central city of Gori and its armored vehicles rolled deep into western Georgia on Monday, seizing a military base and several towns and opening a second front of fighting. Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said the Russian forces had effectively cut his country in half.

    The two-front battlefield was a major escalation in the conflict that blew up late Thursday after a Georgian offensive to regain control of the separatist province of South Ossetia. Even as Saakashvili signed a cease-fire pledge Monday with EU mediators
    , Russia appeared determined to subdue the small U.S. ally. LINK

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    The websites of Georgia's government have been under denial-of-service attacks for weeks, with Russian hackers fingered as the culprits. Those online assaults have only intensified in recent days, as a shooting war between the two countries has broken out. LINK

     
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    Russian jets targeted a key oil pipeline with over 50 missiles in a weekend bombing raid in Georgia that raised fears the conflict will tighten Moscow's stranglehold on Europe's energy supplies...

    Local police recorded 51 strikes. "I have no doubt they wanted to target the pipeline, there is nothing else here," said Giorgi Abrahamisvili, a policeman who witnessed the attack. LINK
     
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    Poncho,
    This is the first thing that came to mind when I heard of the Russian invasion of Georgia. They have been planning this pipeline for over 20 years! The Silkroad caucus,has been around a long time,thats why the Afgan war was needful,next it will be Iran. Funny though how folks still refuse to see the truth..Keep up the good work.
    Have you read Paul Sperry's book called "Crude Politics" ? You should if you haven't already done so.
     
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    e-mail from Jerusalem Prayer Team:

    From above:


    May the Lord Bless & Protect You on this dangerous mission of mercy. Our love and prayers are with you, Brother.
     
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    Thanks for your extensive research and reporting on this

    Russia is not perfect but it is not the cold war thorn in our side anymore like it used to be, we should be building our relationship with Russian and not some
    upstart country with a young buck as leader who led them down a primrose path.

    Bush picked the wrong country to make the apple of his eye and now the young buck of a leader makes a big mistake and Russia was ready.

    Russia is way so much more important than Georgia, for our energy, our markets, our need to have Russia on board to solve the Iran problem.

    I am glad to hear today a de escalation of the conflict.
     
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    Have you been paying attention to Bush's relationship with putin over these last few years?
     
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    If you've never read Zbigniew Brzezinski's book "The Grand Chessboard, American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives" I would suggest you do. It might give you a better understanding of what we've been witnessing since September 11th 2001.

    Here's a page with some selected quotes from the book.

    I have the book in front of me now, I'd also suggest a good dictionary to go along with it Brzezinski uses some mighty big words. :smilewinkgrin:


    The Grand Chessboard

    Brzezinski sets the tone for his strategy by describing Russia and China as the two most important countries - almost but not quite superpowers - whose interests that might threaten the U.S. in Central Asia. Of the two, Brzezinski considers Russia to be the more serious threat. Both nations border Central Asia. In a lesser context he describes the Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Iran and Kazakhstan as essential "lesser" nations that must be managed by the U.S. as buffers or counterweights to Russian and Chinese moves to control the oil, gas and minerals of the Central Asian Republics (Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan).

    He also notes, quite clearly (p. 53) that any nation that might become predominant in Central Asia would directly threaten the current U.S. control of oil resources in the Persian Gulf. In reading the book it becomes clear why the U.S. had a direct motive for the looting of some $300 billion in Russian assets during the 1990s, destabilizing Russia's currency (1998) and ensuring that a weakened Russia would have to look westward to Europe for economic and political survival, rather than southward to Central Asia. A dependent Russia would lack the military, economic and political clout to exert influence in the region and this weakening of Russia would explain why Russian President Vladimir Putin has been such a willing ally of U.S. efforts to date. (See FTW Vol. IV, No. 1 - March 31, 2001)

    An examination of selected quotes from "The Grand Chessboard," in the context of current events reveals the darker agenda behind military operations that were planned long before September 11th, 2001.
     
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    Yes , I have , have you Mark?

    Have you and do you have something to contribute to the discussion?

    Do want a renewal of the Cold War?
    You don't think Bush poked Russia in the eye over Georgia?(Nato, Troops, Weapons,Mercenaries)
    You don't think Washington's boy in Georgia got to arrogant and a head of himself?by attacking Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia?

    The last few years 2004-2008 have not exactly been a bed of roses between the two countries because of Bush's push into that region.

    at one time Putin played Bush like a drum and Bush came away looking into his soul, and said it was good, so much for Bush discernment.

    I say choose Russia over Georgia and ask Georgia to be a good neighbor in the region and share in the wealth of the areas resources.

    As for Brezenskie he may be stuck in the Cold War syndrome of the past and needs to turn the attitude towards helping Russia be a strong free market country that we can sell our goods to and we get wealth for our people in return.

    I would rather have this nation with strong Christian strings attached with us rather than against us.
     
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    Aah, the Russian bear shows it's teeth and gets a bit closer to Israel...

    Russia's main target is Israel, it's after the mineral wealth at the bottom of the Dead sea, and eventually it will align itself with Muslim states such as Turkey, Iran, Sudan, Libya, etc - according to Ezekiel 38 & 39, and they (Gog and the nations aligned with him in this war) will be destroyed supernaturally by the One True Living God. The hooks in Gog's jaws are the muslim states - they are pulling the bear to a confrontation with Israel.

    Apparently the mineral wealth at the bottom of the Dead Sea is worth more than the entire U.S. economy. (God has truly blessed Israel). I know there's a lot of potash at the bottom of the Dead which is required both for making bombs and also fertilizer for growing crops (makes sense because there'll probably be a food shortage).

    I believe this war will take place just prior to mid-tribulation, but the fact that Russia is already aligning with Iran and other Muslim states, tells me my homecoming is near.... The Bible states that there will be wars right up to the end, and somewhere along the line Damascus will cease to exist, so I can only imagine that they will be nuked out of existence - Read Isaiah 17, The Oracle of Damascus (the oldest city in the world).
     
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    The Russians have been preparing for this invasion for some time. The so-called 'poke in Russia's eye' was just an excuse.

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    In August 2007, a Russian jet fired a missile (which didn’t explode) into Georgian territory, and Georgia recovered the debris. Russia claimed it was all a Georgian stunt.

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    In April of this year, a Russian MIG shot down an unarmed Georgian reconnaissance drone over Abkhazia, blinding Georgia to activities of the Russian military and their proxies in the area.

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    Also in April, Russia began a troop buildup on Georgia’s borders.

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    In July, Russia began openly flying MIGs through Georgian airspace.

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    On July 3 there was an attempt to assassinate Dmitry Sanakoyev, head of the pro-Georgian administration of South Ossetia. Sanakoyev’s bodyguards were wounded by the blast.

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    And all the while, the Russian media (Interfax, Itar-Tass) portray Georgia as a dangerous aggressor.

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    "Saakashvili didn't need U.S. permission to send his forces into South Ossetia last week, and he has not suggested that he thought U.S. or NATO warplanes would back him up. " - MSNBC
     
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    Georgia does not have a wealth of resources. They don't have oil. The pipeline through Georgia provides Europe an alternate route that isn't controlled by Putin. Russia didn't shut it down this time, but they have demonstrated that they can, and will, when they feel like it.
     
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    Apparently you have no clue. Bush has been working on a relationship with Putin since he has been in office. So what if Russia and Putin doesn't like our support of Georgia. Doing so is neither wrong or immoral. They are a legally recognized democratic state. And Putin is an old school KJB communist who is working on renewing the cold war yet again.

    You are trying to make a weak case for cause and effect. There is no legal or moral justification. And Putin does not dictate who we suppport. Not to mention Putin supports terrorist states like Iran. Talk about a "poke in the eye". If you want to contribute something yourself contribute some more than cpusa talking points.
     

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