The Propaganda and Politics of MH17

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  1. poncho

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    July 27, 2014 (Eric Draitser - NEO) - The downing of Malaysian Airlines flight 17 (MH17) is a tragedy that will be remembered for years to come. However, the way in which the West has distorted the facts about what happened is no mere accident. Rather, it is a clear attempt by Washington and its allies and proxies to capitalize on the incident, using it as a weapon in their continued belligerent and aggressive policies toward Russia.

    Recent days have seen a deluge of propaganda from both the US Government and the western media (especially US media) which, despite being short on facts, has attempted to place the blame for MH17 squarely on Russia and Russian President Vladimir Putin. While this certainly is no surprise given the public demonization campaign of Russia throughout the conflict in Ukraine, it undoubtedly crosses the line from laughable to utterly irresponsible and dangerous. Given the already icy relations between the two countries, it seems that Washington has as part of its strategy the inflammation of tensions.

    But why? What does the US political establishment, which includes both major parties, hope to gain from this tragedy? Or, perhaps more specifically, how does the United States plan to capitalize on the incident? The propaganda, spin, and outright lies from Western media cannot be understood in a vacuum. Rather, they must be recognized as part and parcel of the larger political agenda of the West both in Ukraine, and Eastern Europe as a whole.

    Lies, Damned Lies, and Western Media


    Although the investigation into the crash has only just begun, that has not stopped Washington from attempting to shape the narrative into an indictment of Russia, accusing Moscow of being behind the attacks. Headlines such as White House Blames Russia For MH17 Crash, Saying There’s No Believable Alternative (Huffington Post) and Congress: MH17 Crash Is ‘Act of Terror,’ and Putin May Be To Blame (The Daily Beast), both of which interestingly come from “liberal” media outlets, have become routine in recent days. The not so subtle, indeed overt, implication of such headlines is that Russia is responsible for the downing of MH17, despite there being no evidence to that effect.

    Essentially, the US political establishment, and its corporate media appendage, attempted to make a flimsy case into a politically expedient narrative that would bolster the US-NATO agenda in Ukraine, while simultaneously legitimizing the belligerent, anti-Russian rhetoric and policies that the White House and Congress have been pursuing. Moreover, Washington has attempted to use the incident to deflect attention from the brutal war crimes and other embarrassing aspects of the US-backed Kiev regime’s horrific war against the people of eastern Ukraine.

    The specific lies, omissions, and distortions propagated by Washington and its dutiful media servants must be recalled in order to debunk them, but perhaps more importantly, to demonstrate the clear and unmistakable way in which they have been used to cobble together a false narrative that, despite being an admitted fabrication, will be made permanent in the minds of many Americans.

    Read More At: http://journal-neo.org/2014/07/26/the-propaganda-and-politics-of-mh17/
     
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    Yea and 911 was an inside job. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yea and the Russians are lobbing artillery rounds into Ukraine. :rolleyes:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=94580

    Can you prove that yet Rev? Or are you going to stay in hiding over it like you have been?
     
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    I love watching you take sides with Obama and the democrats CMG! :thumbs::laugh:


    “Meanwhile impersonal forces over which we have almost no control seem to be pushing us all in the direction of the Brave New Worldian nightmare; and this impersonal pushing is being consciously accelerated by representatives of commercial and political organizations who have developed a number of new techniques for manipulating, in the interest of some minority, the thoughts and feelings of the masses.” – Aldous Huxley – Brave New World Revisited – 1958

    Boy oh boy these unseen rulers must surely be good at manipulating the public mind if they can convince CMG to team up with Obama and the democrats. :laugh:

    Thanks CMG I really needed a good laugh tonight.

    Have you noticed a pattern here folks? Make fun of the guy that asks for proof instead of acting like men and admit you can't provide it.

    That's what they call "credibility" Baptist Board style. :laugh:
     
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    The US news media is buzzing about the Malayasian airliner which was downed from the sky in Ukraine. Some questions are being raised. Some are asking “Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers not stop the flight from passing through the troubled region?” Others are asking “What motivations could Putin or the resistance fighters possibly have for shooting the plane down?”

    While the forces who seek sanity, peace and stability in the world are raising questions, the Western media is singing a chorus of anti-Russian hysteria. Accusations and rhetoric are flying from US officials.

    As events unfold over the next few days, weeks, and months, people must not forget that every war that the US has been involved in within recent history has been started with a lie. Hysterical media campaigns demonizing foreign leaders, are an essential part of the war machine. “Incidents” are frequently manufactured in order to build up public support and provide some loose justification for US military aggression.

    Incubators in Kuwait

    The Gulf War began with propaganda with a campaign of false propaganda about “crimes” by Saddam Hussein. CNN was filled with clips of a woman only called “Nariyah” testifying that Iraqi troops were pulling babies from incubators. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and other non-profits backed up her claims. The media went on overdrive speaking of “crimes against humanity” and the need to “take action” to “protect the innocent.” President George H.W. Walker Bush justified sending troops, and dropping bombs on Iraq, claiming his intention was to rescue the people of Kuwait.

    However, once the war was over, it was confirmed that the entire story had been a lie. “Nariyah” was actually Nariyah Sabah, the daughter of the US ambassador to Kuwait. She had not even testified under oath, making her immune from being prosecuted for perjury. In fact, she had been in United States the entire time, and could never have witnessed the events she described in Kuwaiti hospitals. Her testimony had been staged and scripted by an advertising firm called “Hill & Knowlton.”

    Amnesty International and others issued retractions, when it was confirmed in the aftermath of the war, that no infants had ever been pulled from incubators by Iraqi troops. The whole story had been a lie. The lie was blasted everywhere in the US media, and made the gulf war possible. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died.

    Ironically, Saddam Hussein had committed many real atrocities just a few years before during the Iraq-Iran war. He had slaughtered entire villages, and used chemical and biological weapons against the people of the Islamic Republic of Iran. However, the US media never sought to publicize these atrocities, and at that time Saddam Hussein had been aligned with the United States. The US media had intentionally ignored real crimes by Saddam Hussein, but then promoted false ones in order to justify US military intervention in Kuwait.

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    As the actual facts emerge regarding the recently downed aircraft, the important thing is that we don’t fall for it again. We cannot trust the billionaires that run the US, or their puppets in the White House or Pentagon.

    We must not be conned into supporting yet another war, that will mean huge profits for them, and death, poverty and destruction for so many others.

    Read More Here . . . http://journal-neo.org/2014/07/24/malaysian-aircraft-incident-every-us-war-starts-with-a-lie/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0
     
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    More of that good ole Baptist Board Credibility on display. :thumbs:

    One minute only the "real media" can be trusted to give us the facts, then the next minute the facts the "real media" gives us can't be trusted.

    Okay let's hear it CMG the NYT can't be believed because it's liberal or is it libertarian now?. Oh wait let's make this simple, they just hate the Bushies. :rolleyes:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu8CCJTJCQk

    I chee wowa! The "credible ones" sure will go to great lengths to protect their fragile false paradigm even to the point of contradicting themselves. :laugh:
     
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    1992 stuff? What does that have to do with the blood on Putin's hands today? Libertarians have no idea what happened to that plane, do they?
     
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    Never heard of historical context? No I reckon not if it goes against the current govt/media narrative.

    You seem desperate to make people believe "libertarians" are the ones making the claim they know what happened.

    They aren't the ones making that claim you and your friends are. The author of this article is providing evidence as to how the govt/media has lied us into several unconstitutional wars now. I think you know that but want to steer the conversation in another direction. This seems to be your modus operandi so I can't say as I'm surprised.

    Look I understand you have to try to turn this around on someone else to keep from admitting you've made a claim you can't back up but sheesh man don't make it so obvious. What little Baptist Board credibility you have left might just disappear for good.

    No, I take that back. You go right on making claims you can't back up and bearing false witness against others so the readers can see what you're really about. :thumbs:
     
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    The "About" page of New Eastern Outlook:

    http://journal-neo.org/about/

    Address: 12, Rozhdestvenka Street, office 111, Moscow

    Hardly unbiased.:laugh:
     
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    All that just because I won't give Lt. Col. Putin a pass due to blood on his hands?
     
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    Good reminder for the folks. Thankfully, if the polls are to be believed, Americans are beginning to catch on, as there seems to be great reluctance to support the Regime's rush to the next war.
     
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    Do you really think that the Democrats are going to stand up to Putin? Do you actually hear anyone call for war with Russia? Do you recall when Obama told Putin that he (Obama) would be more flexible? How do you explain the downing of the airliner? Do you think that Lt. Col. Putin has clean hands?
     
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    Asking rational questions of irrational people and expecting rational responses is irrational. :laugh:
     
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    OCEANA is ALWAYS at war with EASTASIA
    OCEANA is ALWAYS at war with EURASIA
    WAR is PEACE

    :1_grouphug:
     
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    The neocons behind Obama didn't have much luck getting the British or Americans to go along with an overt war against Syria either. So they just continued their covert war by funding and arming the head choppers and crucifiers to do their wet work for them. Now they're all spilling into Iraq after Washington and it's ally Saudi Arabia (second largest share holder of News Corp Inc, aka "Faux Snews") funded and armed them and are taking that country over.

    Seems like the neocons would figure out sooner or later that people are going to notice that they keep using the same old script over and over again.

    Funding and arming the violent opposition groups that start the dividing and destabilization process then starting in with the demonization campaign against the intended target, then the isolation and sanctions begin.

    What's weird about the whole thing is it's always the same people who keep falling for it. It's like watching the same old movie over and over again. The script is always the same only the faces and names of the "bad guys" change.

    "Fool me once shame on you fool me seven or eight times in a row using the same script must mean I love being played for a fool".

    So far every intervention these neocon warmongers have gotten us involved in has turned out be, what's that term TND is so found of using? An epic failure!

    So far they have a perfect record. Wrong every time and everything they touch turns into an "epic failure".

    And that's with a bunch of weaker nations that couldn't even mount a decent defense. Russia is a horse of a different color altogether, they have a large battle ready military and nukes.

    Little wonder these yahoos were known as the "crazies" back in the 1980's. They won't be satisfied until we're all dead and can't pay our taxes to fund their next endless war.
     
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    You got me on that one. There hasn't been any rationality from the flying saucer crowd on this question. :cool::cool::cool:
     

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