The R.O.S.E. Acronym

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  1. HeirofSalvation

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    A thread was Prematurely closed...(of course) but I will re-submit it
    even though I am no party to all of these assertions....it is:


    I've not seen this before but it's an interesting acronym. I am not convinced that any of this is necessarily inaccurate.

    The ROSE Acronym:

    R - Responsibility (Libertarian Freewill)

    God has granted free agents significant freedom and responsibility to make moral choices for which they are culpable and upon which at least part of the future hangs. The choices of free agents effect others, the future, and God.

    O - Openness

    God knows all of reality as it is. In the scriptural 'Motif of Future Openness,' God speaks of and knows the possible, future choices of free agents as possibilities. God allows the future to remain open to the extent God chooses. Therefore, the future is partly open.

    S - Sovereignty

    God knows all of reality as it is. In the scriptural 'Motif of Future Determinism,' God speaks of and knows the certainties that God will carry out in God's own power as certainties. God determines the future to the extent God chooses. Therefore, the future is partly composed of certainties.

    E - Emotion

    God is Love. God is affected by the choices of free agents. God responds to free agents. God changes God's mind and plans in response to free agents. God is the most moved mover. It is God's desire to extend the intense love that God has always shared in the Trinity to the creatures God created forever. Christ is the perfect revelation of who God is, even in his emotions

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  2. Van

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    The ROSE addresses the actions and attributes supposedly by the God of the Bible, Yahweh. Lets see if it is well grounded in scripture.

    RESPONSIBILITY - people makes choices influenced by their life experiences but not compelled by their depravity or past choices. This view rejects exhaustive determinism where either God has predestined the future, or by other indirect means has precluded people from seeking God and trusting in Christ such that God would credit their faith as righteousness.

    Matthew 13:1-26 teaches people do seek God and trust in Christ, and some of these are chosen, i.e. the fourth soil. It also teaches some, the first soil, have been hardened such that they are unable to seek God and trust in Christ.

    God does not punish the child for the sins of the father, so it seems unbiblical to say God would cause (exhaustive determinism)people to sin, directly or indirectly, and then punish them for the sins of the Father.

    But because God does punish people for their sinful choices, it follows that people are able to choose to sin less and at times to even seek God and trust fully in Christ. Therefore our choices affect the outcome of our lives, thus the future is not fixed exhaustively. So the ROSE is consistent with limited open theism.

    OPENNESS - the future is not exhaustively fixed. Some circumstances in the future are fixed, i.e. what God has predestined including His prophecies, but other circumstances are not fixed, thus people can make choices rather non-choices (where they "choose" the only outcome possible).
    This is consistent with God predestining some things, and God declaring the end from the beginning.

    God does know our hearts, and thus can say with certainly what we would choose or do given a circumstance. Thus He says if folks in another town had seen His miracles, they would have repented. But this capability does not require that God always searches our hearts, God can choose instead to test us to determine what choice we will make, like He did with Abraham and Issac.

    SOVEREIGNTY - God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass. Thus God predetermined the future which He has chosen to cause and allows people to make UN-predetermined choices within the limits He allows. Thus we make (autonomous) plans but God directs our feet.

    Sovereignty is not a code word for exhaustive determinism.

    EMOTION - God exhibits the three characteristics of Personhood, intellect, will and emotion. God is love, God is angry, God is grieved, and God is jealous. But God is also perfect, flawless and does not make mistakes. He is saddened by the mistakes (sins) people make, but allowing us to make mistakes that grieve Him does not equate with Him making mistakes.

    Bottom line, if we strip away some of the inferences contained in the OP, it is biblical right down to the sweet smell of Truth.
     
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    The gospel of Christ smells sweet because it is a rose by another name.
     
  4. Yeshua1

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    Not the real Gospel, nor real God, but is interesting!
     

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