The reason God cannot sin

Not possible, and totally fatalistic theology. Belief in an unchanging eternal truth and righteousness is foundational toward belief in God.

Your reasoning consists of:

If an all-powerful and unchanging God exists, He must be Truth.

Truth can change because God is all powerful.

Therefore, God (as Truth) must be both, changing and unchanging, existing one moment and not existing the next. God has the power to do this because He is all-mighty powerful God. How God does this is a mystery, but He does it because He can.

Problem:

Now prove that you believe in “truth” that Truth is exists and is an eternal unchanging attribute of God, you can’t; as a matter of fact you just proved by your own reasoning that you believe Truth does/must and is able to change! So what is the Truth?

How do you hold to there being a God of Truth, you can’t, by your own reasoning you can not always know what truth is because you claim it changes at His will. At best all you can claim is that this matter of truth is a mystery concerning a God of Truth. Therefore, within your reasoning how can anyone know God as a Truth? Your best evidence stands on the claim you know God as a mystery in the matter of truth.

Pure and simple fatalistic theology!

No way you can rationally make the claim that you know God as a Truth while claiming that Truth changes. In any logical sense eternal “truth” must stand as unchanging to be true. Logically, a belief in God must stand as Truth, or there is no real foundational truth in that belief. Truth is foundational to having faith/believing because without it there is not a cause for you to believe as being true.

I will say God is Truth, therefore I believe in a God of Truth.

You will have to say is God’s truth can change and this is a mystery, but I believe in this God as a mystery.

 

Luke, I love you brother, but sometimes I think you out Calvin John Calvin and go further into deterministic/fatalistic views than Jonathan Edwards ever would:

When God is spoken of as hardening the hearts of some men, it is not to be understood that God was, in any way, the agent or direct cause of the hardening any man's heart. There is no positive act by God in the hardening process. To suppose any such thing would be to make God the immediate author of sin.

God is said to harden men in two ways:

A. First, by withholding the powerful influences of His Spirit, without which their hearts will remain hardened, and grow harder and harder-in this sense God hardens them, as He leaves them in their hardness. (like the cop who hides his presence behind trees so the speeder will keep speeding)

B. Secondly, God hardens men, by providentially ordering things which, by the continued sin of man, becomes the reason for their hardening. Thus God sends His word and commands to men and women which, they then ignore, thereby, confirming their hardening. So the apostle Paul said, that the gospel message he preached was to some people “the smell of death."

So God is represented as sending Isaiah to the people, to “Make the heart of the people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.” [Isaiah 6:10] Isaiah's preaching was, in itself, a message imploring these people to turn from their ways and follow God and His word. But their rejection of God’s message caused it to be it an opportunity to further harden their hearts.

God is said to harden men, that He put a lying spirit in the mouth of the false prophets. (2 Chronicles. 18:22). That is, He “allowed” a lying spirit to enter into them. And thus He is said to have told Shimei, a man from the same clan as Saul, to curse David. (2 Samuel 16:10). God did not directly command him to curse David; for it would be contrary to God's commands, for God has expressly said in His Word, “Do not . . . curse the ruler of your people.” [Exodus 22:28] But God “allowed” the evil to work in the heart of Shimei, and then sovereignly brought about the opportunity of stirring it up, as a manifestation of his displeasure against David.

 

Surely the reason it would be ridiculous to say that God could sin is because of what sin actually is - rebellion against God's will.

To say that God could sin would be to say that God is not God, because it would mean that something or someone could force Him to act against His own will.

 

Jesus Christ is 100% Man.

Also, Jonathan lied to protect David and it was not a sin...and Rahab lied to protect the Israelite spies, and it was not sin. As I have stated, sin is a heart issue. Killing in itself is not sin, it's the motive behind it that can be.

 

Who knows that He hasn't? What if two plus two was three and God said otherwise? It is now a natural, physical reality from the beginning.

But that's not what God has done. God cannot lie. Christ is His Word, and His Word is as unchanging and eternal as He is. These trifiling sophistries are the foolish arguments of vain and puffed up minds.

 

Misleading God's enemies to protect innocent life is not lying.

 

Call it what you will, they deliberately told a falsehood, the very definition of lie.

 

Unbelievable...

 

Lying is "bearing false witness AGAINST thy neighbor."

 

Gotta read that statement in context. That does require a certain reading comprehension level—probably fifth grade or higher.

 

I did read it in context. Unbelievable.

 

That is one way to lie, but is not the definition of lying. Get yourself a good dictionary.

 

The Commandment defines the concept.

 

Well then you'd know that I refuted that notion in the very next paragraph.

 

Reminds me of a closing comment made by Doctor Albert Mohler in his address to Ligonier 2009.... " God speaks and you Listen"

 

How is a cop hiding his presence so that the speeder, who already freely wants to speed, continues to speed?

It's not a lie for us and its not a lie for God to hide truth from rebellious people.

And I already showed you Edwards remarks about these passages, which clearly are interpreted as to mean "allowed" them to continue in their lying etc...but it sounds like you won't even listen to your own.

Are there any other real Calvinists here who can talk to Luke about the error of his form of Calvinism? Maybe he will listen to you?