The Red Horse and Rider in Revelation

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  1. Seth3

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    The Red Horse in Revelation


    Red Horse (as I see it)


    Rev 6:4 And there went out another HORSE [that was] RED: and [power] was GIVEN TO HIM that sat thereon to take PEACE from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was GIVEN unto him a GREAT SWORD


    I see Jesus here and I’ll show you why.


    The HORSE (Isaiah 31:3) IS "FLESH" not Spirit. RED confirms Esau (who came out Red and Hairy) and is the FIRSTBORN which types the FLESH ( or as Carnal Man).


    Now Power is not given to the horse but the RIDER (The Spirit of falsehood) who comes to take PEACE (Christ) “From the earth”. To HIM was GIVEN A GREAT SWORD. This is the Sword God says AWAKE (Zecharia) O’ SWORD AGAINST MY SHEPHERD (PEACE) AGAINST HIM WHO IS CLOSE TO ME! This is Christ who is drinking the Cup of the Father. Jesus said, "What you are about to do, do quickly" Speaking to "Satan" in Judas.


    On the Night of Jesus’ betrayal, the chief priests, elders and so forth came to TAKE CHRIST (PEACE) and hand Him over to Pilate. Jesus says to them “This is YOUR HOUR when DARKNESS (Which is falsehood) REIGNS! (1John)


    THESE are the ONES who were GIVEN AUTHORITY AS KINGS ALONG WITH THE BEAST (Rider) for how long? ONE HOUR!!! This is incredible!


    Jesus it KNEW IT COMPLETELY. He says, “What shall I say, Father save ME from THIS HOUR”? For This reason He came into the World= to FINISH THE WORK OF GOD=CROSS.


    As of YET it is NOT finished UNTIL He is on the CROSS. God now has PUT IT INTO THEIR HEARTS (Those who came for Him) TO ACCOMPLISH “HIS PURPOSE” (The Cross) by AGREEING to GIVE the BEAST (or The rider) THEIR POWER TO RULE (Or Reign) UNTIL Gods words were FULFILLED!


    They REBELLED "IN FULFILLMENT" OF THE VISION given to Daniel, destroying the Body of Christ (PEACE) handing Him over to the Cross where it was finally said “It is FINISHED”


    Another important thing that Jesus said there as well is this, "No one could have power over Him UNLESS IT WAS GIVEN from ABOVE. Which was a good testimony.


    The scriptures say, “It was GIVEN to the RIDER”, “It was GIVEN a Great Sword”, “They were GIVEN authority”. and in Zech it is GOD HIMSELF who AWAKES THE SWORD against HIS SON.


    Knowing all these things were WRITTEN AGAINST HIM and having the authority to lay down or pick up His life. He laid it down willingly in Love. Being that God gave them authority to do what they wished to Him He did not fight back. He was obedient unto death.


    Those in Darkness waged war against the Lamb but He overcame them because Death cannot kill the author of life. The weakness of God is stronger then mans strength. The Cross is the Wisdom and power of God.

    The Testimony of Jesus IS The Spirit of PROPHESY= All things are summed up in Him.


    God Bless

    Seth3
     
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    Rev 6:2 - White Horse -----Matt. 24:5 - Deception

    Rev 6:4 - Red Horse ------ Matt. 24:6 - Wars

    Rev 6:5 - Black Horse ---- Matt. 24:7 - Famines

    Rev 6:8 - Pale Horse ---- Matt. 24:7 - Pestilence


    Matthew 24 compared with the first four seals of Revelation 6:

    1st, FALSE TEACHING about Christ, doing away with His true Gospel.

    2nd, WARS, climaxing at this crisis at the close of this age in WORLD WARS—nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. We are now in the second recess between stages of WORLD WAR!

    3rd, FAMINE, and 4th, PESTILENCE, or epidemics of DISEASE which follow in the wake of great famines and wars.

    The Book of Revelation Unveiled at Last! -- link
     
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    Seth3, may I ask where you are getting your information? Meaning, is it what you feel that God has revealed to you or does it come from a study guide?

    MEE [​IMG]
     
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    MEE,

    Hi there. Yes it is from my own study under the teaching of the Holy Spirit. I must be true to how He teaches and I trust in Him and as He has taught I abide in Him. As we all should be taught by Him not men. Being true to what He shows during our times of seeking to understand is showing great trust in Gods ability and promise to teach us all things Amen?


    God bless MEE

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    The Red Horse of War is not Jesus Christ, but is one of the four horses of the anti-Christ. (Satan is the Author of War...He made war with God and was cast out of heaven along with 1/3 of the angels.)

    Rev.6
    [1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
    [2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
    [3] And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
    [4] And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
    [5] And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
    [6] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
    [7] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
    [8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
    [9] And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
    [10] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    [11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
    [12] And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    [13] And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
    [14] And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

    The Lamb is Who opens the seals of the four horsemen. The Lamb is Jesus Christ.

    Jesus Christ would not slay those who stand for the Word of God (fifth seal). The description in this part of Revelation fits that of the anti-Christ. When Jesus Christ does come back to earth (later in the Book of Revelation), it will be on a white horse and he will have a vesture on Him that says King of Kings and Lord of Lords. [​IMG]

    Rev: 19:[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
    [14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    [15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    [16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

    [ October 23, 2004, 11:49 AM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]
     
  6. Seth3

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    The Red Horse is Not Jesus Christ as explained above amen. The Red Horse as I explained is Flesh and not Spirit. The one who rides is the Spirit of falsehood.

    What you are about to do (Satan in Judas) Do quickly. They came to take Peace (Christ) from the earth. They were given a Sword and authority as Kings along with the beast for ONE HOUR.

    What shall I say, Father save me from THIS HOUR?

    Christ is just seen in the picture.

    Amen

    God bless

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    Okay, Seth, I misunderstood what you were getting at. So we agree! [​IMG]

    Interesting thought about Esau being red. [​IMG]

    Esau is also the "wildman."
     
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    Amen ladyeagle,

    I guess we could also see how Esau sold his birthright here as well. Though I'm not certain that thought fully applies to this picture. Just thinking on it really. He sold it being famished so I'm looking into the Black horse as well to see how this fits perfectly in Jesus Christ.

    God Bless

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    Here's a thought:

    White Horse: White has stood for the RCC. The Pope wears white, white vehicle, etc. White is associated with the RCC.

    Red Horse: Red has usually always stood for communism.

    Black Horse: The Islamic warriors /terrorists march under the black flag of revolution.

    Just some thoughts.
     
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    Ladyeagle,

    I can understand where one can draw these things but I believe we err in doing this (I've done it myself). When the scriptures speak we also have to listen to "how" they speak. They are Spiritual truths. God has given us his written word and its not of mans interpretation or interpreted by the New york Times. But God does give interpretation and these are in comparing spiritual with spiritual. What the old testified to was Christ and what we need now is a revelation of Him in us.

    But to me personally if I cannot see Christ in the center of it I reject it. One can know the scriptures and yet not really know them Jesus said. To know the scriptures is to see WHO they speak of and Christ is the one in the volume of that book.

    He is both the Wisdom and power of God. The Testimony of Jesus Christ IS The Spirit of prophesy. Everything centers on Him. So if I see something other then Him I tend to doubt it.

    But thats the liberty in Christ its How (in the integrity of your heart) and in your searching him with your whole heart you see it speak. See?

    Jesus says, "How does it read to you"? It puts the ball back in our courts whether to run with something (we are certain of) or step back and look again to note whether we might indeed be doubtful of what we think we know see?


    But definately do not come to me or anyone but to God and you just as the Queen of Sheeba pressed Solomon with many hard questions do so before the Lord Himself (He is our Teacher). You have not because you ASK NOT. Ask and it shall be given you. He is both the concealer and the revealer.

    (Prov) It is to the GLORY OF GOD to CONCEAL A MATTER but to the GLORY OF KINGS to SEARCH IT OUT.

    Its to His and Our Glory to seek understanding. Each one gives an account of his or herself to God.

    So if this is how it reads to you then I'd say go ahead with it but its not how I personally see it. But we seek Gods approval not mens. We are at liberty and still growing and searching in our own hearts to understand Amen?

    God Bless

    Seth3
     
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    But don't you see? All three things are spiritual. And the Anti-Christ will be empowered by Satan himself. The Beast, Anti-Christ, and False Prophet are the Spiritual false trinity. All world religions will combine under the influence of the False Prophet so there will be one world religion and one world government.
     
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    Yes I remember that once I was certain that I knew according to how I was breifly taught and though I see what others might see I see it differently then I once did. What I treasure most of all is abiding in what I've been shown. In Him alone because I have faith God is able to teach me and that faith is expressed by abiding in Him and as He has taught. Holding fast to nothing but Him and His promises, and He has proven faithful to me in this. I trust Him.

    God Bless

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    the rider on the red horse is Jesus Christ.

    as all riders on all horses...after all this is a book about the revealation of the Lord Jesus Christ.


    Jesus is warring against OUR FLESH...
    He comes to conquer..and he's riding within our bodies..

    Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    our carnal spirit worships the beast.. It will not war against it, But the Spirit of Christ sure will war against it...

    notice the rider has a sword and has designs to take peace from the earth.....

    Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

    Man is to return to the tree through the sword. He is to be purified by its flames.

    Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

    In many verses, the earth represents our flesh, as the heavens represent the Spirit of Christ. resulting in a battle within our lives.
    within our world.

    the four horsemen ride within the believers flesh...making war and conquering overagainst the works of the flesh. the four horsemen are symbols of the spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ...
     
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    The four horsemen in Revelation 6 correspond exactly with Jesus' Mt. of Olives prophecy about the end-times.

    Rev 6:2 - White Horse -----Matt. 24:5 - Deception

    Rev 6:4 - Red Horse ------ Matt. 24:6 - Wars

    Rev 6:5 - Black Horse ---- Matt. 24:7 - Famines

    Rev 6:8 - Pale Horse ---- Matt. 24:7 - Pestilence


    Matthew 24 compared with the first four seals of Revelation 6.

    ***********************************************

    Only a few commentaries even mention Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24 (also Mark 13; Luke 21) as a key to interpreting the Four Horsemen.

    One of them seems almost surprised that Jesus foretold the exact same series of signs -- sixty years before -- to His disciples!

    Why should Matt. 24 and Rev. 6 be any different when the same Revelator communicated both prophecies?

    They are parallel.

    [ October 24, 2004, 02:43 PM: Message edited by: wopik ]
     
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    The Olivet Prophecy consists of a series of signs of the end. The book of Revelation identifies itself as a disclosure from Jesus Christ of "things which must shortly take place."

    It is plain that Revelation is a book concerned with the events of the end time that crescendo at Christ's return; and Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24 covers the same ground.

    We would be derelict not to compare the two.


    Rev 6:2 - White Horse -----Matt. 24:5 - Deception

    Rev 6:4 - Red Horse ------ Matt. 24:6 - Wars

    Rev 6:5 - Black Horse ---- Matt. 24:7 - Famines

    Rev 6:8 - Pale Horse ---- Matt. 24:7 - Pestilence
     
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    cI agree with you Me2

    Gods word being fulfilled in Christ has two forms one to fulfill and the other to establish one through Christ as One man here on Earth as a manifestation of the Truth in the person of Christ Jesus. All things being summed up in Him visible and invisible. The one I shared was the visible manifestation through the betrayal of Christ. A picture of Satan entering Judas to prepare the way before the Lord and it was God who put it into their hearts to accomplish this purpose on the cross. Satan entered Judas and was told, "what you are about to do, do quickly" The time was short it was an HOUR. They reigned with Him ONE HOUR to which Jesus said, "What shall I say, Father save me from this hour"? He said, "This is your hour when DARKNESS REIGNS.

    The Rider was Given a Sword, Given Authority and its THIS God Awakes in Zechariah against His Son.

    These GUARD the WAY before the Lord as the Levites bear up the Ark of the Testament. As the Waters (which revelation says are peoples) ROSE and did that which God purposed. They had a part to play in this and it shows beautifully that God Himself is in control.

    Yet as the dream was given to Pharoah in two forms (one to fulfill through christ) the other to be established in Christ and Him in us). There is both the manifestation of Gods work completed in Christ as one Man and the work of Christ done in us who believe as well. He establishes US Amen? I shared the visual only.

    Now He makes things new within and the Sword which divided peoples as waters is at work dividing Soul from Spirit that the dry land appears-agreed. The Sword is bathed in Blood both ways amen? Or as the water which had brought death through inner baptism brings life and FIRE (By the SAME WORD) which refines and purifies cleanes etc. I'm with you on this.

    This ofcourse is the New Day its called "To Day" (Not yesterday any longer).

    God is the SAME yesterday TO DAY and Forever Amen?

    But First Adam whose Generations were 930 years to which the spiritual work be seen PLUS the 70 years of desolation were the thousand years already fulfilled. Here...

    For a thousand years are as YESTERDAY when it has PASSED. Paul calls this day TO DAY so that which was old (First Adam) and only fading away is completely passed and gone for good. The good things are already here (Second Adam=Christ who is Come) no doubt Amen?

    This is Peters thousand years within this day called Today (into forever which follows) and this thousand years is as "A DAY" an Eternal day we enter into. The day that DAWNS WITHIN US.

    The inner Sword of God making war into order to give us Victory in Christ alone Amen?


    God Bless

    Seth3
     
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    Wopic yes the End. Christ made an end to Sin and brings in everlasting righteousness through these horsemen. All things are summed up in Christ who fulfilled the law and Him who is established in us. Hearing the hoofbeats? [​IMG]

    God bless

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    Some of this is reading more into it than what is there, IMO - a little too far out there to hold my concentration. Guess I'm just too "literal" for this discussion - never was very good at abstract thinking. Carry on Seth and Me2.
     
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