The Republican/Conservative Manifesto

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  1. WallDoctor

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    "Abraham Lincoln's Ten Guidelines"

    "You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

    "You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.

    "You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.

    "You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.

    "You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.

    "You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.

    "You cannot further the brotherhood of men by inciting class hatred.

    "You cannot establish security on borrowed money.

    "You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.

    "You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what theycould and should do for themselves."
     
  2. The Galatian

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    "You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

    "You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.

    "You cannot further the brotherhood of men by inciting class hatred.

    You cannot establish security on borrowed money.

    "You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.

    These are precisely the reasons I can no longer vote for democrats or republicans.
     
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    My tendency is towards Libertarian except that even they are morally bankrupt since they are usually pro-choice---seeing abortion is a social issue that gov't should not be involved in as opposed to a ethical/moral issue which should be criminalized as any murder would be.

    Otherwise, I'd vote Libertarian---but then you throw away your vote---as bankrupt as the republicans are---they are still the lesser of two evils and will do more good for this country then giving our vote away or not voting at all and letting the demoncrats win.
     
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    Voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for evil.

    You seen how Bush courted the evangelicals, professed to be "pro-life", but his first appointment after winning was a man who as a judge had cast the deciding vote not only for minors to get an abortion, but to prevent their parents from knowing about it.

    He must be laughing about how easy it was to fool them.
     
  5. WallDoctor

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    That did upset me. My only hope is that this Attorney General will not be appointed to the Supreme Court. There is still hope. Except for that case, Bush has done a good job generally on social issues. I think that their is still hope afterall, an Attorney-Generals job is simply to enforce books on the law---not make or re-interpret laws---he's no judge which means even if he was against abortion like John Ashcroft (who was awesome) he would still have to enforce laws supporting abortion since they are legal. I'm only scared if he gets onto the Supreme Court.

    I think the only reason he was appointed was because he was a friend of Bushes and he is Hispanic which will hopefully cater to the hispanic vote which is a larger minority group than the blacks---if they go Democrat as a group, Conservatism (even watered down as it is in the Republican party) will end.

    Bush has done fairly well in general on the Pro-life issues and embrionic stem cell issues----and he is for tax cuts.

    The other issues violate conservative principles which I agree with, but are not necessarily anti-christian----like big gov't spending.

    The war he's doing great in (Bush).

    So I think overall, I see a Republican President that I wish would truly apply Lincoln philosophy but I can live with him because he is generally honest and more conservative than anything else.

    Vote Libertarian and you vote for Democrats just like a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.


    At least until the majority of conservatives can get their act together and make change en masse. But than they should reform the Republican party from within bringing it back to the days of Abraham Lincoln.
     
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    Galatian,

    I have requested that you make the facts of this case that Gonzales ruled on in the TSC available for all of us to see. You have chosen to ignore that request and keep on spouting what you've read from the Religious and Conservative Right.

    Until you back up your accusations with FACTS - your regurgitation of these accusations only detract from your sterling reputation of being totally fair and balanced! :D
     
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    Originally posted by The Galatian:
    Voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for evil.

    And whose candidate was without sin?

    1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
     
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    Has anyone, anywhere, at any time, on any thread, in any post, anywhere on the Baptist Board implied that there could be a candidate without sin?

    That is totally, entirely, completely, 100% irrelevant, and misses the point entirely. It neither proves nor demonstrates anything whatsoever.

    It is nothing more than the statement of an obvious fact that is irrelevent to the discussion.
     
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    I guess that's the only possible response from Republicans.

    It's really indefensible. Bush presents himself as "pro-life", but his appointments tell a different story.

    "But some conservatives have quietly questioned his ideological credentials—in a Texas abortion case, he voted to allow a teenage girl to bypass a parental-notification law. Interviewed in his corner White House office, he wouldn’t acknowledge that he’s a candidate for the court. But in the same breath, he seemed eager to send a message to anyone trying to divine his position on abortion. “It wasn’t a constitutional issue,” he said, of the Texas case. “It was purely a statutory interpretation question.”
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3067731/site/newsweek/

    "None of this should be surprising, of course. Only months before being appointed by Bush as his top lawyer, Gonzales cast the tie-breaking vote in the Texas Supreme Court against a parental-consent requirement before a minor could obtain an abortion in the state.

    The Parental Notification Act was passed by the Texas Legislature in 1999. It required, in most cases, that at least one parent of girls 17 and under be notified before abortions are performed. The law did provide for special circumstances for judicial bypass of parental notification if the minor is sufficiently mature and well-informed about her decision. And Gonzales continually approved such petitions for judicial bypass of parental notification"

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41398
     
  10. Johnv

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    Everyone on the ticket was evil. That includes the Peroutka and Nader as well.
     
  11. Pennsylvania Jim

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    So why did you bother to vote? Your statement implies that there is no dofference, since Billy Graham, Jonathan Edwards, Idi Amin, and Saddam Hussein were all born imperfect.
     
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    I think the best thing to do is acknowledge sin where sin exists, and vote for the party that will have the best chance to push forward christian values. It's too late to harp on G W Bush now. We had our chance during the primaries when we overwhelmingly chose Bush over Alan Keyes (at the time a far more conservative/moral choice). Now we have Bush----he is not perfect, but he's better than any other real choice out their and he has done a lot for pro-life---afterall, the Partial-Birth Abortion bann was the first law in 30 years to really be put in place and hopefully will be approved by the courts.

    He's not great----he's no Ronald Reagan or Abraham Lincoln, but he's not as bad as his dad, nixon, carter, clinton, or kerry would have been.


    The Key is to get our leaders to focus on the fundamental guidlines that Abraham Lincoln held to. Good biblical Christian Conservatism. (And even Lincoln was no angel).
     
  13. Pennsylvania Jim

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    We should hold our elected public servants accoutable to, among other things, their oath of office.
     
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    I voted because I speant years in the INS line dealing with holier-than-thou mental midgets who treated me like I was a subhuman for not being born here, and did it all for love of this country. I voted because, after uncovering mounds of documentation to apply for citizenship, which the INS lost not once, but twice, and, after passing the citizenship test that most native born citizens would fail, and, after taking a solemn oath to be faithful to the US, and defend it from its enemies, I figured that it would have been terrible for me not to excercise a basic right that I had to wait so long for.

    It's distressing that so many nateive borns either don't vote, or treat such a cherished right so flippantly with the off the cuff "lesser of two evils" comments and the like.
     
  15. WallDoctor

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    One thing is this, I'm actually Canadian. I live in Michigan. And will soon be going through the same laborous INS process you have gone through Johnv. I was a strict conservative up in Canada and my conservatism puts me in the far right of almost any politicians views. I have only heard of one or two politicians who have even come close to what I believe the direction any nation needs to go in (I believe the US is the closest to my ideal---but very far from it and for that reason desire to start the process of immigrating though I have a lot of research since I'm missing a bunch of info).

    Second, I think you are mistaking my statement of "lesser of two evils" as flippant. I say that we do need to choose the best option available to us and then reform it and hold it accountable till it improves.

    Bush is a decent leader. He's not the best leader he could or should be, but he's the best we have. So on election day, you must choose the lesser of two evils --- Bush or Kerry---Bush is far less evil---and then campaign him to be true to those who elected him and first and foremost true to God.

    I'm offended how you have interpreted what I wrote which by no means was flippant. Did you not read how I started this entire post?? With this amazing statement by Lincoln?? That is the standard I wish Bush would stand for.
     
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    WallDoctor, welcome to the USA. I heard a bunch of liberals who are upset about the election are planning to move to Canada. Now that's what I call "Fair Trade." [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    As they say, "denial isn't just a river in Egypt."

    Bush is snickering at how easy it was to fool everyone.

    When he nominated Gonzales, it was almost like he went out of his way to rub pro-abortion in so we'd know for sure.
     
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    Me, too. I also wish it was the standard that Kerry would stand for. But neither of them do, so I voted for someone who does.
     
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    Why be critical of them? They are just sinners like everyone else, no?
     
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    Yup, they're sinners, like everyone else. Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
     

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