The Resurrection

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  1. freeatlast

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    :wavey: The Lord Jesus Christ clearly said in Matthew 12:38-40 that He would spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth," just as Jonah had spent "three days and three nights" in the belly of the great fish. Isn't it strange, however, that almost universally throughout Christendom we find that the remembrance of Christ's crucifixion is held on "Good Friday" and that His resurrection is acknowledged as occurring on Sunday morning, at dawn? By no stretch of the imagination or masterful manipulation of Scripture is it possible to stretch the period from Friday evening to Sunday morning into "three days and three nights"!
    The following article corrects this misconception with clear biblical truth.

    PT 1
    http://www.gerald285.com/view/?pageID=312559

    PT 2
    http://www.gerald285.com/view/?pageID=313553
     
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    I heard not long ago that if it (menaing anythingm, not just the resurection) were any part of a day the jews counted it as a day. not full 24 hours we do here.
    which we only do when we want o be techincal, but not all the time.
    If I say I'll call you in a day or two. Do you expect to count 24 or 48 hours and then I call. We normally do not do this in everyday life.
     
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    That is how the people have been deceived. Those who will try and change scripture bring on them the curses mentioned in scripture. I suggest that you read the article.

     
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    I posted this recently, in another forum. Here is that fairly terse (for me) response.
    FTR, I did re-read the article to which you posted the link, which article, it turns out, I had also previously read, as well.

    I will here add that this proposed time-line requires one to break a third Sabbath, as well, namely the one which the author of the article describes as "Palm Saturday" in the article.

    Without going into great detail, here, I would say that the 'standard' and 'traditional' Harmonies of the Gospels, such as the one of A. T. Robertson, get the gist of "Passion Week" events right, with one major difference.

    Simply eliminate, from these chronologies, the so-called "Day of Meditation", or "Silent Wednesday" about which is alleged "We know nothing." (which is in fact accurate, because such a day never existed anywhere in the gospel record). Therefore chronologically, this would place the events generally ascribed to "Good Friday" (which day, in fact, also never occurred or existed) on Thursday, as we, 'in the West,' reckon time, and "Poof!" suddenly, all the so-alleged contradictions disappear like one's breath on a cold morning, as the vapor just seems to vanish into the air.

    Why is there the seeming need to "correct" one "error of tradition" (which is an accurate assessment, BTW) with a new introduced error? :confused: The article is actually, effectively based on two (or three) flawed inferences from Matt. 12:39-40, and one flawed inference from Matt. 28:1, IMO.

    The verses in Mt. 12:39-40 are obviously accurate, for Jesus himself, spoke these words. What He (and Scripture) did not say here (or anywhere else, for that matter) is any mention of any "72 hr. time period" (which words I do not think the article linked to uses, although I have seen this often used elsewhere), "three full days," or that 'His body would be in the tomb (or grave or ground) for this three days and three nights' in teh words Jesus spoke, here, or elsewhere.

    And it is significant, IMO, that those around and the early church, apparently had no need for great detailed explanations of the crucifixion and Resurrection of the Lord, clearly understanding such varied Biblical wordings as "in three days," "after three days," "three days and three nights," "three days since these things," "in three days," and "on the third day" as referring to exactly the same period of time, for these events.

    There are actually some very good historical facts and Scripture references, in the linked articles, and I can even recommend one should get hold of these facts. I just do not agree with the conclusion of the article, that the Lord was crucified on a Wednesday, as I have said several times on the BB. Nor was the Lord crucified on Friday, as the linked article rightly infers.

    I have previously posted this -[quote]And a Thursday crucifixion, as we reckon time, is even more plausible, plus requires no 'theological gymnastics' to accomplish, which both a 'Wednesday' or a 'Friday' crucifixion do, not the least of which is both of those days require Jesus to travel further than was permitted, for "a sabbath day's journey" in order to get where He went. Study it out, by reading all the Scripture abut the event.

    Then, specifically check out the account of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. "On the first day of the week..." (Lk. 24:1); "That same day" (Lk. 24:13); "today is the third day since these things..." (Lk. 24:21); "toward evening" (Lk. 24:29); and "the day is far spent" (Lk. 24:29), etc.

    Also, consider "when" the resurrection occurred. This event is variously described as taking place "the third day" (Lk. 24:46; I Cor. 15:4); "in three days" (Matt. 27:40; Jn. 2:19); "after three days" (Mk. 8:31); "on the third day" (Ac. 10:40), and Jesus said He would "be 'three days and three nights' in the heart of the earth", and note that Jesus did NOT say that 'his body would be in a grave for any 72 hrs.'

    Simply put, 'Wednesday' is too early' and 'Friday' is 'too late.'

    Anybody wanna' hazard a guess as to what day is left, which just happens to fit?? I'll even give you a hint. It starts with the letter "T".
    (My added emphases in blue 'bold' - Ed)[/quote]Should be simple enough to figure which day I'm referring to, IMO. ;)

    Ed
     
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  5. donnA

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    I suggest that when you read the time line in the bible, you have to change scripture to get anything else.
     
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    FTR, and for the benefit of the OP, I have studied this for more than 40 years, as well, and in fact, for a brief time, way back when, actually advocated a Wednesday crucifixion date, based on some things I had read.

    To me, Friday was obviously an incorrect assessment even then, and nothing I have seen for more than 40 years has changed that opinion. The plain reading of all the Scriptures without any additional "theological gymnastics" did change my opinion, in favor of a 'Thursday' dating for our Lord being offered as the Lamb on Mt. Moriah, and I have since held that for well over 38 years, now. :thumbsup:

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    There are places the Bible says after 3 days and others that reference "on the third day". based on our present day understanding, both can not be correct. So obviously something is misunderstood. Which one is correct? neither can prove. Does it amount to a hill of beans? No.

    freeatlast says we are decieved. I fail to see this. We know what the Bible says and we know that Christ died and rose again. I do not see where beleiving he died on Wed, Thurs, or Fri. decieves anyone. An argument can be made for each.

    But we ALL know that I'm right and your wrong as usual. :D
     
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    It seems to me that the important thing is that He was crucified and was raised again on the third day. Why quibble over how we get to the third day. If He was crucified on Wednesday or Thursday or Friday (which I believe) does that detract from the absolute truth that He arose and is now seated at the right hand of the Father? I think not.
     
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    Read 1 Cor 15. All of it. Then reread it. Then continue then process until you've rid yourself of nonsense about the resurrection of Jesus, the Lord of glory.
     
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    SeekingTruth,

    re: " It seems to me that the important thing is that He was crucified and was raised again on the third day. Why quibble over how we get to the third day."

    Why is it important that the resurrection occur on the third day, but not important that at least parts of three days AND at least parts of three nights be involved?
     
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    Is not the most important thing the fact that Christ went to the cross, For without the cross were would we be.
     

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