The Rev. Franklin Graham disinvited

Fine line, though...we as an "official" church body shouldn't get mixed up in state affairs...but individual believers have every right to do so...and some might argue a responsibility.

But when a Christian, acting as a private citizen, expresses belief, faith, etc., that is in no wise tantamount to "Government establishment."

Face it...He was nixed for having expressed the truth of the exclusivity of Christ for salvation. And you can't do that in our country anymore...at least not in the public eye. And definitely not in any realm that in any way intersects any form, function, structure, or operation of government.

And being honest...how many places are there anymore in which government does not at least play a tangential role?


****10 bonus points for the use of "tantamount" AND "tangential." :saint:

****minus 5 points for disagreeing with a mod.

 

You know...off-subject, but one of my high-schoolers said something utterly profound one time.

We were doing mission work in the Czech Republic. On the last day, we took the kids to Prague to be "tourists" for a day. We were visiting the St. Vitus Cathedral in Prague...one of the most magnificent cathedrals in existence--an 800 year-old marvel of architecture, art, engineering, and beauty.

One of my kids, on the tour, commented on the cathedral. What he said was so profound, I actually wrote it down. He said:

May we never reach the point where our "religion" impresses the crowds...yet all the while they fail to see the God that could truly fill them with wonder, conviction, and awe.

 

Why is the Pentagon having a prayer service in the first place? I can imagine how that would go, "Dear Lord, help our bombs kill lots of people".

The Army looks real bad here, they should have been aware of what FG said before they invited him. It's not like it was some kind of secret.

Graham will probably be sending out a fund raising letter in the next week or so, who knew standing firm could be so profitable!

 

Such nonsense really shows the true attitude of liberals.

 

I think at any Washington D.C. gathering...it's quite likely that an appropriate prayer would be one of Jesus':

"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do..."

 

I'm completely with you. (And I'm no liberal, revmitchell.)

Just wondering go2, have you heard of the "American Patriot's Bible," a nationalistic piece of garbage veiled as a copy of God's Word? It hijacks holy Scripture and uses it for a purely patriotic agenda. The worst thing about tit is how it presupposes that we have God on our side, particularly in our military agenda. I wonder if God is really pleased that we slaughter His image-bearers in His name.

Not sure how you feel about it, but thought I would ask. I also don't see much of a reason for a Pentagon prayer service.

 

That's debatable.

 

Not really. Thanks for a compelling comment.

 

Mix liberalism with pacifism and and presto you get stupid statements like this. .

 

Seems like there are plenty here that need to unwrap the flag from their Christianity, it's blocking your ability to see straight. I'll meet you half way the Pentagon can a have a prayer service, but how about a Imam lead. What you don't want a Muslim praying in the Pentagon!? Can't have it both ways folks. It's all or nothing, I choose nothing.

Graham is known entity, that the Army invited him anyway and is now backing away makes them look very bad indeed.

That there are Christians serving at the Pentagon or in the Army is off topic really, but I would be willing to engage the conversation on another thread, "Should Christians serve in the military?" There are many believers, Baptist and otherwise, who don't think so.

I don't think Graham should "give in" to his critics, this is a free country and he should be able to say what he thinks. But he or any other minister shouldn't be leading prayer services at the Pentagon. As to is son, has nothing to do with anything, Graham is his own man as his own son. When I get my fund raising letter I will let you know.

I have heard of the Patriot's Bible and I agree with your line of thinking. Every time I walk past a stack I turn them over covers face down.

 

I hide them behind the TNIV.

 

There are churches like this. One here in Jacksonville has received tons of criticism from every Islamic group imaginable.

 

Does our CONSTITUTION use reference to the Lord of the Bible or "god" of the Korahn? Seems this WAS settled long ago before liberals wanted to reinvent the wheel.

 

Conservatives do not lead dual hypocritical lives. We include God in our churches, homes, schools, governments, etc. If you do not like a country founded on Biblical principles you are in the wrong country. China might be a good alternative.

 

If you don't like a country founded on the values of The Enlightenment, you are in the wrong country. Iran might be a good alternative.

Funny how if our country were founded on Christianity, the founders failed to mention it in our secular Constitution.

 

Many are missing the point. I don't care what you think, believe, pray, say or put on the outside of your whatever building. But the government doesn't get to be the arbitrator of what is prayed, said or believed nor do they get to support one religion over the other. Hosting a prayer service and inviting a Christian minister to pray is acting as an arbitrator and supporting one religion over the other.

Where am I again? Isn't this supposed to be the BAPTIST Board? What happened, this is basic, Baptist 101 stuff.

 

It's almost like Christians want the government and society as a whole to make them feel comfortable. As Christians, we shouldn't be worried about that. This is a kingdom of the world and it will pass away, should Christ tarry. Our business shouldn't be trying to change the government, it should be reaching out to people, like the Muslims or anyone else.