THE ROSARY - IS THAT SCRIPTURAL?

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  1. rbrent

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    The Rosary - IS IT SCRIPTURAL?

    Different forms of the rosary are prayed in Roman Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam. It may surprise some that Hinduism also practices celibacy of the clergy, separation from the world, worship of saints, fastings, processions, litanies, and use of holy water.

    In each of these religions, the rosary consists of beads on a string or knotted cord. Islam uses 99 beads and the Hindus and Buddhists use 100 as well as 66 beads. Prayers are repeated as the beads are counted.

    The rosary was not used by Jesus, by His apostles, or by the early church fathers. The Roman Catholic Church started using the rosary around 1350 A.D.

    Bible Believing Protestants do not use a rosary.

    In the Roman Catholic Church, the typical rosary has five sets of ten beads. Each set of ten beads is called a decade. Each decade is separated by one large bead. Different prayers are recited for different beads.

    The "Our Father" or "Lord's Prayer" is recited on the large bead while "Hail Mary" is prayed for on each of the small beads.

    Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
     
    The Roman Catholic Church claims that praying the rosary properly venerates Mary since they claim,
     
    Mary has by grace been exalted above all angels and men to a place second only to her Son, as the most holy mother of God who was involved in the mysteries of Christ: she is rightly honored by a special cult in the Church.

    From the earliest times the Virgin Mary is honored under the title of Mother of God, whose protection the faithful take refuge together in prayer in all their perils and needs.
     
    Praying the rosary is also said to provide special graces and protection against various evils, including false teaching.

    Praying the rosary is said to provide partial removal of the punishment that we deserve for our sins while we are here on earth. Roman Catholic doctrine also teaches that a person can earn a complete "relief" from all stored up punishment at the time of praying the rosary, receiving the sacraments of confession, receiving the Eucharist, and offering prayers for the Pope.
         
    What Does Scripture Say?

    It is important for us to ask a key question,

    "Does the Bible ever refer to the rosary?"

    If it does then the rosary might be important.

    If it does not, then how important is the rosary?

    The answer is that the Bible does not mention the rosary. In fact, Mary herself does not appear in the pages of scripture after Acts 1.

    The rosary is not mentioned in scripture because it is a human invention.

    The Rosary is not of God and praying the Rosary is not of God.

    PRAYING THE ROSARY DOES NOT:

    (1) Provide forgiveness of our sins.

    (2) Relief from punishment in purgatory or hell.

    (3) Convey any kind of grace.

    (4) Give us victory over hell.
     
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    rbrent, looks as though you answered your own question. ;)

    I agee, it is not scriptual!

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  3. Brother Adam

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    You know nothing of Catholicism and misrepresent the Church.

    And I'm A Protestant!
     
  4. rbrent

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    Brother Adam wrote:

    "You know nothing of Catholicism and misrepresent the Church."

    I notice you didn't mention anything specific that was "misrepresented" about Catholic Beliefs and the Rosary in the above article.

    Hmmmmmm....I wonder why?
     
  5. Brother Adam

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    The UN-Scriptural prayers of the rosary: :rolleyes:


    The Apostles' Creed:
    I believe in God the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He decended into hell; the third day He arose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven,and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgivness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen


    The Our Father:
    Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name: Thy kingdom come: Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread: and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation: but deliver us from evil. Amen.

    The Hail Mary:
    Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen

    Glory Be to the Father:
    Glory be to the Father, and to the Son and to the Holy Ghost.
    As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

    The Fatima Prayer:
    "O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy".


    This is probably the most confusing one if you don't know much about Catholicism or the communion of the Saints. So don't write it off immeadiately, but let's have a discussion! I'll admit I'm somewhat uncomfortable with it myself [​IMG]


    The Hail, Holy Queen:
    Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley, of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus; O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

    The rosary is merely a prayer aide. Monks in the early centries of Christainity would say the Psalms but since Christians were mainly illiterate, they would use the rosary beads as a counting tool (nothing magical about them) to say the rosary- the prayers you see above. "Catholics also should meditate on the mysteries as they say the rosary, they go hand in hand" (i.e. the life of Christ) -Dustin a Catholic

    Each petition/prayer of the rosary points directly to God, Christ, and the plan of redemption for the world
     
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    I think its time for the troll alert to be sounded on rbrent.
     
  7. rbrent

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    Where in the scriptures is Mary called

    the Mother of God?

    She was the mother of the physical body of Jesus but Jesus was God long before the Incarnation and Mary was NOT His Mother then.

    The scriptures refer to Mary as the Mother of Jesus

    NOT, the mother of God.

    In reading the New Testament, why would you conclude that Christians back then and in the centuries after the Resurrection of Christ, were mostly illiterate?

    I've read a lot of History and I taught History on the High School level and in a Bible Institute. Its a myth that Christians back then were mostly illiterate.

    Why would you conclude that Christian believers needed Eastern Religious Beads so they could pray?

    Why would you believe that Christians need made-up prayers to vainly repeat, over and over?

    What scripture leads you to conclude that God pays any attention to the "vain repetitions" He has commanded us not to make to Him?

    Isn't vainly saying the same prayer over and over a practice of the heathen?

    A Troll Alert? Sure - You can't answer with Scripture because your religious beliefs are not Defensible with scripture... [​IMG]
     
  8. Brother Adam

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    Vain repeatition is sinful, repeatition is not, Jesus' humanity and divinity cannot be seperated, why do you need pews in churches (no Catholic is ever required to use a rosary, some choose to like some prots choose to use bible commentaries, whether it is "scriptural" or not is irrelavent).

    Thank you, good night, see ya' in the morning.
     
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    And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all round and within, and day and night they never cease to sing, "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty,
    who was and is and is to come!"
    Rev 4:8

    Sounds pretty "over and over" to me!
     
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    rbent - was Jesus promoting heathen practices when he told the Apostles how to pray the Lord's Prayer? As Adam already pointed out, you are equating repetition with vain repetition.
     
  11. MikeS

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    So according to your logic, Jesus is not God...whoa! :eek:

    Who ever heard of somebody being (just) the mother of "a physical body" anyway?! [​IMG]

    I guess you think Mary was just the mother of the man-suit that Jesus wore while He was on earth...

    "And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Luke 1:43
     
  12. Singer

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    (Adam)
    You know nothing of Catholicism and misrepresent the Church. And I'm A Protestant!

    (Singer)
    You may as well join the RCC, Adam because the rest of us can't tell you from a Catholic. It will be an easy transition for you as you're already indoctrinated.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. MikeS

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    Seek and ye shall be mocked?

    Yes, quite often true...
     
  14. mioque

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    "Bible Believing Protestants do not use a rosary."
    Yes but they are evil so that doesn't count.

    What?
     
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    I got this from
    www.theholyrosary.org
    it doesnot sound scriptual to me .This is a catholic site.

    The 15 promises of Mary


    1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
    2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
    3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
    4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
    5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
    6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
    7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
    8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
    9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
    10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
    11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
    12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
    13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
    14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
    15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.





    Blessing of the Rosary


    1. Sinners are forgiven.
    2. Souls that thirst are refreshed.
    3. Those who are fettered have their bonds broken.
    4. Those who weep find happiness
    5. Those who are tempted find peace.
    6. The poor find help.
    7. Religious are reformed.
    8. Those who are ignorant are instructed.
    9. The living learn to overcome pride.
    10. The dead (the Holy Souls) have their pains eased by suffrages.

    Benefits of the Rosary


    1. It gradually gives us a perfect knowledge of Jesus Christ.
    2. It purifies our souls, washing away sin.
    3. It gives us victory over all our enemies.
    4. It makes it easy for us to practice virtue.
    5. It sets us on fire with love of Our Lord.
    6. It enriches us with graces and merits.
    7. It supplies us with what is needed to pay all our debts to God and to our fellow men; and finally, it obtains all kinds of graces for us from Almighty God.
     
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    The Rosary is a meditation on the life of Christ, and for one who prays as he or she should, is a deeply spiritual journey through His life. Of course focusing on the birth, life, death, and resurrection of My Lord will strengthen me in the faith and make me closer to the Lord. That's all those promises are. The more time you spend with Jesus, the closer you get to Him.
     
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    Hi rbrent,

    You wrote, "[Mary] was the mother of the physical body of Jesus"

    Mothers don't give birth to natures but to persons, and the person of Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.

    If Mary isn't the Mother of God, then Jesus isn't God and you have just repudiated a central tenet of the Christian Faith.

    Every explicit attack on Mary is an implicit attack upon Jesus, and every explicit exhaltation of Mary is an implicit exhaltation of Jesus, the only person who had the chance to choose and create his own mother.

    My faith has crossed great barriers and found abundant growth since my devotion to Mary became profound. Mary has and continues to lead me further into the depth of the mystery of Jesus as she formes me in her maternal care as my heavenly mother.

    John 19:26-27, "When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then he said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home."

    When you attack the Queen of Heaven's person and prerogatives, you are only doing damage to yourself as a Christian, for she is responsible for raising you up in the spiritual order. If he who repudiates his own loving mother will find difficulty in his maturation in the natural order, how much more in the supernatural order?
     
  18. Brother Adam

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    Well shucks Singer, we could only hope one day that the RCC will clean itself up enough so that I could return to the Church. I was born and raised RCC until I was about 7 or 8.

    I'm not "indoctrinated" with RCC theology any more than I am with Baptist Theology or Buddhist theology. I just think the behavior of my Baptist brethren here is horrible. I've taken the time to lay aside my assumptions that Catholics are going to hell and start learning for myself with an open mind. It's been a year and a half of reading and I've barely touched the surface of 2000 years of literature. I do know enough though to know that the faithful Catholic is as much a brother or sister in Christ as the Faithful Baptist or faithful Lutheran. And I will not have brother attacking brother in biased, ignorant, intolerance and stand idly by.
     
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    rbrent,

    You can't even agree on what your argument is. Is your argument that the Rosary itself is not found in Scripture, or that the prayers in the Rosary and the events of Christ life are not found in Scripture.

    Of course the former has no Scriptural basis. It is a form of prayer that was developed at one point in the life of the Church. And no Catholic or anyone else is bound to pray it (although, believing it is a good and holy form of prayer, it is certainly encouraged).

    You seem to say "BAD ROSARY! JESUS AND THE APOSTLES NEVER PRAYED IT!" Well, yeah. Duh.

    That hardly makes a prayer invalid.
     
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    [​IMG]

    as for the Lords prayer, Jesus said"PRAY IN THIS MANNER' Not pray this prayer over and over and over etc.

    I talk to God every day, and I think He would get pretty tired of hearing the exact same thing every day!

    Wouldn't you guys, if I posted the same thing every day?? I know you would!

    Well, Have a nice day!!!

    Tam,

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