The Sabbath- Do we still need to keep it?

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  1. Claudia_T

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    The Sabbath- Do we still need to keep it?

    Some would argue that we need no longer keep the Sabbath. Has it been changed?

    Exodus 10:"But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God"

    Jesus said the law would never change...
    Luke 16:17:"And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."

    The Sabbath is God's sign of creation and sanctification:

    Exodus 20:
    8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


    Ezekiel 20:12:
    12: Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
     
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    Claudia, I would appreciate your participation on my thread, Sabbath-Scriptures Unknown. You will certainly there find the best of reasons why a Christian is obliged to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath. Jews though, and legalists, will be disappointed.
     
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    Thank you, that was nice.
     
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    What's the matter, Goldilocks? You haven't barged in and eaten enough sabbath porridge and gotten your dusk-to-dusk day of rest in in somebody else's bed enough to break it down yet?
     
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    I take it you dont like the 7th day Sabbath?
     
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    Some Sabbath Facts

    The Apostles taught it:
    "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath." "And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God." Acts 13:42, 44, "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Acts 18:4.
    The New Testament Church obeyed the Sabbath command. They also taught the converted Gentiles to worship on Sabbath. They did not refer to Sunday as a holy day.

    Christ expected His people to be still keeping the Sabbath in A.D. 70 when Jerusalem was destroyed.
    Jesus knew that Jerusalem would be destroyed by Rome in A.D. 70, and so He warned His followers of that time by saying, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day." Matthew 24:20. He intended for the Sabbath to be kept even 40 years after His resurrection. There is no suggestion anywhere in the Scriptures that Jesus, His Father, or the apostles ever changed the holy Seventh-day Sabbath to any other day.

    Is Sunday the Lord's Day?
    "Call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord." Isaiah 58:13. "For the son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." Matthew 12:8.

    The Lord does have a special day, the Bible speaks of the "Lord's day" in Revelation 1:10. But no Bible verse refers to Sunday as the Lord's day. The Bible plainly calls the Sabbath the Lord's day. The only day ever blessed by the Lord or claimed by Him as His holy day is the Seventh-day Sabbath.
     
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    Exodus 20:8-11 is the mostly debate than any of the Ten Commandments. Many Christians saying we should obey the Ten Commandments. When I was Lutheran in my young life. They saying we must obey the Ten Commandments. But, they didn't discuss about the fourth Commandment on sabbath.

    Sabbath is the most debate among Christianity today.

    SDA, and Judasism saying we must obey the fourth Comamndment to keep it holy, they saying sabbath is on the seventh day, which is on Saturday, not Sunday.

    Many Christianity religion switched from Saturday(Sabbath) to Sunday, because Christ risen on the first day of week. So, they rest on the first day of the week, and worship Christ on Sunday.

    Do you think it is ok to break the fourth Commandment, while they work on the seventh day, and rest on the first day of the week?

    7 years ago, I digged research on sabbath with scriptures and church history on sabbath.

    I found there are many twists of verses in KJV on the timing of Calvary, sabbath, and resurrection.

    I realized KJVO debate is not necessary. I am not KJVO. KJV is not 100% perfect. Also, I learned that 1611 A.V. was control by Roman Catholic with Anglicans. Not by Protestants.

    Sunday was established by Roman Catholics. Many Christians were persecuted and killed for keeping sabbath in the past.

    I notice verse about the resurrection of Christ in KJV. In Matt. 28:1 of KJV, it says, "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first 'DAY' of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other other Mary to see the sepulchre." Notice it says, 'DAY', it shows it is italic. I learned that word shows italic in King James Version, that the translators added 'day' in KJV, because 'day' was find in Greek translation.

    Also, I learned that the calendar was invented by Julius Ceasar around 400 A.D. almost all Christianity religions use Roman Calendar. My question, why not we follow Jew calendar? Huh?

    Also, the seven names of days were invented by Paganism. Sunday = Sun, Monday = Moon, Tuesday = ? Wednesday =? Thursday = Thor, Friday = ? Saturday = Saturn.

    I consider that we should not use Roman calendar, we are supposed to use Jewish calendar because of sabbath.

    I do NOT consider Christ was actual died on Friday. I strongly believe Christ died on Wednesday. Because Christ told them that, He will be risen after three days. I believe he was actually died for literal 3 days, NOT just only one day according Catholic's theology!!! Stop and think..... if suppose we use Good Friday, that Christ died on Friday, then he risen on the very early Sunday morning according as what KJV saying. So, that mean He died for only 1 1/2 day, not 3 days. Huh???

    I strong believe Christ was actual risen ON sabbath day, not Sunday morning. Because, Mary and her friend came and visit Christ's tomb on the first day of week, that is after sabbath. Christ was NOT there in the tomb. He was gone. I believe that Christ was actual risen ON sabbath day!!!

    Why, not we worship on sabbath, because Christ IS the sabbath?

    I do not think it is ok for us to break the fourth Commandment. Because we disobey God's Word. We are supposed to keep the commandment - John 15:16.

    Many saying Christ died on Friday afrernoon before sabbath come at 6 o' clock according Jewish religion.

    I do not think so. Because I can see so many twists in King James Verison on the timing of Christ's death, sabbath, and resurrection.

    KJV was written by Roman Catholic. Catholic caused many Christianity religions to observation Sunday instead of sabbath. Even, baptist churches having service on Sunday.

    There is much confusion on sabbath and Sunday today.

    Funny, during Old Testament period, there was no debate about timing of sabbath. Because the saints understood that, sabbath is on the seventh day, they were follow the fourth Commandment.

    Now, there is so debate on sabbath and Sunday.

    For me, I do not it is okay for us to continue break the fourth Commandmant. I think God is not please with us today thank to Catholic.

    I agree with SDA that we are not supposed follow or compromising with Babylon system of Revelation 17 & 18 because of sabbath matter.

    I am fear that baptist churches are already compromising with Babylon system. Rev. 18:4 warns us that we MUST come out of this system. God will judge them.

    Later this week, we will discuss more about sabbath issue with verses and church history.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
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    Two notes here.

    1) The commandment says to do all your work six days and rest on the seventh. It does not say WHICH day shall be your seventh day. However, it is very good for your mind and body to take one day off a week, whichever day that is. But then, all the commandments are for our benefit!

    2) In Exodus 31, if one reads it, one will find that the Sabbath was a covenant sign between the ISRAELITES and God.
    The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from the work and rested.
     
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    Alcott, this post is not in keeping with the majority of your posts. You could have skipped the ad hominem attack very easily. And this is from someone who is under no delusion about any arbitrary division of the law by "keeping the Sabbath" or any other part of the Mosaic Law, for that matter.

    Claudia, I'm glad you ignored the attack. I do not at all agree with your position, but you handled the 'attack' in a good manner, by refusing to 'attack' the attacker.

    Ed
     
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    I concur with Helen.

    The early church met on the first day of the week.

    Also, Rom 14 says:


     
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    That's slopbucket theology. If the day of their flight were on a sabbath (in Jerusalem) that meant the city gates would be closed and could not be reopened that day-- that would be work, which was forbidden; and apparently a position you would agree with. Winter, of course, would produce its own problems. Besides, if they were to pray that their flight not be on sabbath, and the sabbath is an absolute law of God for all time for everyone, would He arrange the destruction of Jerusalem to be on the sabbath, where by His command no one could flee? [Indeed, did the Jews lock themselves in and face massive death and refuse to get out on a day in AD 70?]
     
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    Helen,

    The problem is, you say, it doesn't say WHICH day of seventh day.

    No doubt, during Old Testement period, I am sure that Jews knew which day is sabbath, because they use their own calendar.

    When after Christ was crucified, they have to be HURRY to take the body of Christ and buried BEFORE the sunset as sabbath day beginning (at 6 pm). I am sure that they KNEW which day, the sabbath was.

    Today, we use Roman calendar. WHY NOT we use Jewish calendar? I rather follow Jewish caldendar than Roman caldendar. Because God gaven the commandments to Jews, so, thefore, we as Gentiles should follow God's commandments the same thing as Jews follow.

    Marcia,


    Also, Romans 14:5-8 say nothing on sabbath. I do not see 'sabbath' mentioned in this context.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    Notice, Acts 20:7 of KJV says, "And upon the first DAY of the week..." Notice, it says, 'DAY', in italic word. It shows that, the translators added 'day' unto God's Word, it was not find in Greek translation. Huh???

    In Christ
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    So they met together on the first, what?
    day of the month, day of the year, decade. No they were used to meeting weekly so the word "day" is add to denote the COMMON interpretation with regard to context.
     
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    Allan,

    Probably you are right. Yet, Acts 20:7 doesn't prove it was on Sunday. Funny, throughout Scripture, we cannot find a single verse show what day such as 'Sunday', or 'Monday', or 'Tuesday', etc.

    What about Acts 2:42? It doesn't saying either Sunday or sabbath. They were fellowship, worshipping, communion together at their houses.

    I believe the method of early church worship comparing today's church worship are much DIFFERENT. Because of church history influcned come from the war between Catholics and Protestants. During Dark Age Period in year between 1200's to 1600's, there were so many splits among Catholic churches. Thousands of people left Catholic churches because of doctrines. There were much persecutions, and martyrdoms.

    I believe persecutions and martyrdoms were the most main reason is sabbath.

    Roman Catholic religion was not yet existed till around 325 A.D. Early Church did observed sabbath for long time.

    I believe the early Church keep sabbath base upon Jewish calendar, not Roman calendar.

    By the way, Roman calendar was not yet invented till around 200's A.D.

    Sabbath were observation as worshipping for so many centuries long time before Roman calendar invented.

    I feel that that we should follow Jewish calendar instead Roman calendar because of sabbath reason base upon the Fourth Commandment.

    The timing of Crucification, sabbath, and resurrection are lose forever, thank to Roman Catholic's cause.

    Also, 1611 A.V. was control by Roman Catholics. Anglicans were working with Catholics. Both were against Protestants.

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    I conceed that. But we do know that it was not the seveneth. *shrug*

    I find it most interesting that when Paul spoke the the elders in Jerusalem concerning the Judizers and how they were trying to bring the Gentiles under the law (specifically with regard to circumcision) that the Apostles gave them a short list of things they WERE to do. But we do not find maintaining the sabbath in that list.

    And there were Churches that were NEVER apart of the Catholic Church either that maintained even during the Catholic huntings for them.

    Is is not historical documentation remotely illistrating this concept. They were persecuted because they either left the Catholic or did not follow already Catholic dogma.

    Actaully it existed but not as a entity we know and attribute its culmination to today.

    Actually read the Anti-Nicean Fathers and other early Church father and you will find they met on the first day of the week. This is a historical fact. Some even met on both days (Sat and Sun).

    Non-siquestor

    Again not according to historical documents and early church fathers writtings. There were some, granted, that did meet but in the main and on the whole they met on the first day of the week.

    It would not matter on any calendar as long as the week had seven days. Thus week = 7 - so no matter which calandar you use it would still be the first day of the week.

    What??

    What does that have to do with anything?? We had the scripture long before it was put into English by translation. And that translation still hold to the original documents we have. It is also the reason many other translation say the same things.

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    The Sabbath - do we still need to keep it?

    O I like your phrasing! Man, let me tell you, Since Jesus rose from the dead on the Seventh Day "God thus concerning did speak", "a keeping of the Sabbath Day remains valid and obligattory for the (Christian) People of God" as never before, as for the first time ever!

    For they (before us) kept the Sabbath for all the mighty good reasons of God's salvation in times past, but we, for the reason of "ALL His Finished Works", "in the Son, "in these last days":
    "FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST", and, seeing that "HE HIMSELF ENTERED INTO THE REST HIS OWN AS GOD IN HIS OWN", "THEREFORE THERE REMAINS VALID AND OBLIGATORY A KEEPING OF THE SABBATH DAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD".

    For the first time in salvation-history God revealed Himself "IN HIS OWN" - in the very pinacle of relaxed being Himself, as if for the first time in His own history - if one may think of it that way - God has found His niche; was pleased with Himself. In a word, "RESTED". God the Seventh Day RESTED", says the Old Testament; the New Testament says, "In Sabbath's fulness of day it being the First day of the week towards, there suddenly was a great earthquake, and an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and hurled away from the grave the stone ..."

    That my reason why I, would find great honour and pleasure, in being blessed and privileged to share in God's Rest of the Sabbath Day through faith in Jesus Christ the Risen.
     
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    DeafPosttrib:
    "Acts 20:7 doesn't prove it was on Sunday."

    GE:
    But Acts 20:7 PROVES it was 'Saturday' - the Seventh Day Sabbath - upon which the disciples ACTUALLY 'had come together for Holy Communion'. Acts 20:7 PROVES it, in that it ACTUALLY says, "AFTER THAT WE BEFORE HAD COME TOGETHER FOR HOLY COMMUNION AND ON THE FIRST DAY (of the week) IT BEING EVENING STILL WERE TOGETHER, Paul preached ...."

    ANYONE whants to challenge that? Well, come on, lets hear!
     
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    Exodus 31, as I stated on the previous page, says clearly that the actual Sabbath is part of a covenant relationship between God and the Hebrew/Jewish people. All the disciples were Jewish.

    Do not confuse that with the commandment to work six days and take off one. That is a universal commandment, to all of us. Paul makes it very clear that which day we choose for a rest is not to be fought over. The commandment states that the seventh day is A Sabbath to the Lord.

    So what we do with that day is important.

    But which day we choose is not.

    Keep in mind, as well, that "Sabbath" did not necessarily apply to only one day a week. There were double Sabbaths, Sabbath weeks, etc.
     
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    Helen:
    "the commandment to work six days and take off one."

    GE:
    Never thought I was so blind; nor that all my lexicons and concordances of the Bible were that incomplete and faulty. Please help me with this one - to find where you got it in the Bible.
     

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