The Sabbath- Do we still need to keep it?

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Well 'nough said, If you know the commandments and you love the Lord. Keep 'em.

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

The emphasis is on MY commandments, not the Ten Commandments.

 

Music4him said,

Do you keep the Sabbath? Attending church on Sunday is not the Sabbath of the OT law.

 

Attending church anywhere, any day is not the "Sabbath of the OT law.

 

These are the words that you used (albeit originally quoted by Shiloh)

Notice the words that are underlined and in large letters "broken the sabbath."
They are not spoken by Jesus. They are written by John. John comments on what the Pharissees are doing because of the words of Jesus. The actions are the actions of the Pharisees. They were seeking to kill him because they were accusing him of breaking the sabbath, when he did not.

 

.....Agreed

 

Indeed Christ's Commandments INCLUDE the TEN Commandments AND MORE! For CHRIST IS God! and the WORD of God - is the Word of Christ.

John 14 "If you have seen me you have seen the Father"
John 14 "IF you Love ME KEEP My Commandments"

John 12 "MY words are the Words of the Father - and not merely mine"

DHK - your efforts to slice and dice the Gospel - extend to slicing and dicing the Word of Christ AWAY from the Word of the Father.

You are going wayyyyyy too far.

John 12

44 And Jesus cried out and said, "" He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me.
45 "" He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me.
46 "" I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness.
47 ""If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 "" He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
49 "" For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.
50 ""I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.''

In Christ,

Bob

 

True. Christ our Creator and Savior said "Remember the Sabbath day to KEEP it Holy.." man made traditions says that man can disregard what Christ has established.

Christ our Creator said in Isaiah 66 that "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but man made tradition says that we should turn a blind eye to that.

Going to church "twice on Tuesday" is not a sin nor is it breaking Christ's Sabbath Commandment nor is it KEEPING the Christ's Sabbath Commandment.

Christ said in Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" in Mark 2:8 He said "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" in Isaiah 58 He calls it "the Holy Day of the Lord - honorable".

But Ignoring the Sabbath IS -

In Christ,

Bob

 

Bob you are being redundant to say the least. There is no way that "HIS" commandments include the "Ten Commandments." You are twisting Scripture to make it say what you want it to mean. The commandments that he refers to as "His" are the ones that he has been teaching "His" disciples. Keep things in context and you will have a better understanding of Biblical doctrine rather than SDA doctrine. He was teaching his disciples. It was His commandments that they had to keep in order to be His disciple. Keeping the law would not make them a disciiple of Christ--maybe a legalistic Pharisee, but not a disciple of Christ.

 

How did God "repent of his plan" if there never was such a plan?

 

AMEN BROTHER DHK!

And I might add that the Scripture clearly teaches that if your are hung up on the LETTER of the Law rather than the SPIRIT of the law then you are as bad as the Pharisees. In fact, you ARE a Pharisee.

And I might also add (though I don't know if someone else has already addressed this) that in order to KEEP the OT sabbath you folks would be in a world of hurt since you don't do it either yet you say you do. That is called hypocrisy.

 

That was what I was going to say. :thumbs:

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

Do you keep the Sabbath? If not, then you are breaking the law and under it's curse.

 

What is this verse about?

Deu 32:36 (KJV1611 Edition):
For the Lord shall iudge his people,
and repent himselfe for his seruants,
when he seeth that their power is gone;
and there is none shut vp, or left.

Seems to me, on the surface, to indicate that
God will repent in respect for his servants --
that God will have power when His servants
are powerless.

 

Do you keep the Sabbath holy?

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


BTW, FYI... I'm under the blood of Jesus, not the curse.

 

Hold on there a minute DeafPosttrib. I'm not very good at maths myself. Perhaps I've got things wrong here. But doesn't your statement there clash with your statement just here:

For if they were in a hurry to take the body down because it was the Sabbath, then surely he could not have died on the Wednesday? For that would make the next day Thursday and not Saturday? Am I missing something here? Could be. I'm not that bright at the best of times.

 

You cannot be under grace and law at the same time. You are either under the law OR you are under grace. So when you say we must keep the 10 commandments you are talking about the law. You do not keep the 10 commandments IF you don't observe the OT Sabbath. If you break one, you have broken them all. Jesus did fulfill the law, therefore we are not under it anymore. We are under the law of Christ. People amaze me who are constantly saying that we are to keep the 10 commandments or we don't have the truth in us are the same people who DON'T keep the Sabbath and therefore are breaking the law.

 

You can only be under grace OR under Law -- but not under BOTH-- True

"Under Law" means "you really need to obey God and under Grace means open rebellion against the Ten Commandments just as all the wicked freely choose to do each day. Anything more is bondage to obedience.

FALSE!!

Question - why do you mix truth with error?

In Christ,

Bob

 

Rom 3:31 "our faith ESTABLISHES the Law of God"
Rom 2:11-13 "not the HEARERS but the DOERS of the LAW WILL be Justified"
2Cor3 and Heb 8 teach that "The LAW of God is written on the tablets of the human heart"!!

I Jn 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14
14[b] Blessed are they that do his commandments,[/b] that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I Jn 2:3-4
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.