The Sabbath Rest

Don't forget that there is a difference between the ceremonial law and the moral law. We obviously don't have to keep up the ceremonial laws, dietary laws, etc., but we do have to obey the "thou shalt nots".

When one understands this distinction, it completely eliminates the OSAS argument, most of the Calvinist/Arminian argument, etc. When one looks at the Scriptures in the original languages, this distinction is quite clear.

But, even so, it contradicts the teachings of men, and it is difficult for many to see. I have one man in my church who stated, "I see that's what it's saying, but that just simply can't be what it means". His reasoning? He had never been taught that.

 

Exactly (and the thou shalts ). I believe that every commandment was reinforced in the NT, except the Sabbath as a binding law (although the principals behind the Sabbath can teach us an awful lot if we will allow them to).

I don't know of a single congregation of Sabbath believers/followers that are monitoring their folks and then stoning the ones that break the rules of the Sabbath.

And once again the first four show us how to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and the last six show us how to love our neighbor as ourselves.

Then we are to obey everything that was given in the NT as well.

However if they are disobeyed it doesn't mean eternal loss of salvation, but there will be consequences for being disobedient!

 

Your linking in Calvinism here makes no sense; and as for your distinction between 'ceremonial' and 'shalft-not' commands, it is artificial, superficial and unwarrented.

 

There is no 'Sabbath-rest' in the Sabbath-Day, since Jesus' resurrection, but the rest He introduced into it; for God never "rested", but in and through Jesus Christ; God never "finished", but in and through and by Jesus Christ; God never "blessed" the Sabbath Day, but in and through and for Jesus Christ; God never "sanctified", but unto Jesus Christ. Then come the SDA's and say there is 'symbology' of the Sabbath Day -- that it is not 'prophetic' or 'figurative' -- 'figurative' namely of Jesus Christ; so that in the resurrection of Jesus Christ God by the exceeding greatness of His power "IN THE SABBATH'S FULNESS OF DAY", for the Christian, created and left behind, the Sabbath Day for to commemorate' HIS, great deeds in and through and by Jesus Christ -- even eternal life. That, is the 'Sabbath rest' of God today for Christians. The SDA-Church despises it.

 

This is simply a Red Herring - I am surprised that people use it - (unless they listen to the vaccuous argument of Hank H).

We do not kill people for adultery either - but the "civil law" of Israel under a theocracy would argue that this is what must be done. The fact that we are not a theocracy and do not have the civil laws that go with it - does not mean "adultery must be ok".

The fact that "murder" is not listed in the restriction of Acts 15 for Gentiles does not mean we can INVENT a "whatever is not repeated gets deleted" approach to scripture and declare it is ok for Gentiles to murder.

The fact that the 3rd commandment IS NOT REPEATED in the NT does not mean we can take God's name in vain.

The fact that there is no command in the NT against making images of the one true God to worship the one true God - does not mean it is now ok.

All these "methods of eisegesis" to take away from God's Word - what does not please the traditions of man - may work for fine for Hank Hanagraf but I don't see how anyone serious about the Word of God in these specific areas would do it.

True enough. So then can we simply "edit them as we please" - or what is the best way to "edit those first four" to fit man made tradition?

In Mark 7 -- Christ says to leave them alone. It specifically addresses the point of making void the commandment of God in favor of man-made-tradition.

In Christ,

Bob

 

The fact that God the Son is a member of the Trinity acting in Genesis 1-2:3 in no way gives us license to ignore the fact that God DID rest and God DID bless and God DID Sanctify "just as HE said" in the text.

As suprising as that may be for some.

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts.
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

The "Seventh day" designation - just as we see "the sixth day" or fifth or fourth - etc.

The lack of "evening and morning" reference in Gen 2 matches the lack of evening and morning reference to ALL 7 days of creation in the summary account given by God in Exodus 20:8-11 of the events of Gen 1-2:3. So we must not argue some supposed
doctrine from the void of what the text does not say and conjure up a "distinction
without a difference" regarding the usage of evening and morning.

The word for 'rested' is "sabat" (Strongs 7673a- )used in connection with Sabbath - repeatedly in the OT. A religious act of worship/rest.

As in Exodus 16:30 "the people rested on the seventh day"

Note - 7676 Shabbath from 7673a = "Sabbath" - exclusively in scripture as we see it
in the summary of Exodus 20:8-11 where God summarizes the Gen 1-2:3
account.


3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Again repeating the "sabat" emphasis.

Here God provides the authoritative example of rest and tells us this day is to be "set aside" - for it already has been - by God "sanctified".





Jamieson, Fausset, Brown

Col 2:16

16. therefore--because ye are complete in Christ, and God in Him has dispensed with all subordinate means as essential to acceptance with Him.
meat . . . drink--Greek, "eating . . . drinking" (Ro 14:1-17). Pay no regard to any one who sits in judgment on you as to legal observances in respect to foods.
holyday--a feast yearly. Compare the three, 1Ch 23:31.
new moon--monthly.
the sabbath--Omit "THE," which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Ga 4:10). "SABBATHS" (not "the sabbaths") of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Le 23:32, 37-39).

The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Le 23:38 expressly distinguished "the sabbath of the Lord" from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb 4:9, "rests," Greek, "keeping of sabbath" (Isa 66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Ro 13:8-10).
http://www.studylight.org/com/jfb/view.cgi?book=col&chapter=002

J-F-B
Gen 2:3 –
3. blessed and sanctified the seventh day--a peculiar distinction put upon it above the other six days, and showing it was devoted to sacred purposes. The institution of the Sabbath is as old as creation, giving rise to that weekly division of time which prevailed in the earliest ages. It is a wise and beneficent law, affording that regular interval of rest which the physical nature of man and the animals employed in his service requires, and the neglect of which brings both to premature decay. Moreover, it secures an appointed season for religious worship, and if it was necessary in a state of primeval innocence, how much more so now, when mankind has a strong tendency to forget God and His claims?
http://www.studylight.org/com/jfb/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=002





In Exodus 20:8-11 God tells us that this act in Gen 2 of resting - is sufficient of itself to obligate mankind to follow God's example.
Some have "guessed" that God was simply obligating Himself to observe the 7th day. The Exodus 20 summary of creation
week refutes that guess.

Mark 2:27 - Christ shows the close link between the MAKING of mankind and the MAKING of the Sabbath - and shows God's intent - explicitly.
"The Sabbath was MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath "
Obviously a reference to the MAKING of these two - as we see in the creation account.

The climax of the Gen 1-2:3 account - is the Holy Seventh-day upon which religious "sabat" is observed. The verses provide the emphasis, origin
foundation - basis for the holy Seventh-day as a memorial of God's work in creation.

 

There are "some" who claim that D.L. Moody, Adam Clarke, Jamieson Fausset Brown etc "are all dirty rotten stinking SDAs who listen to God's word" instead of ignoring the parts that GE would have them ignore.

(I suppose that is understandible if you are committed to eisegeting the way GE does it)

Adam Clarke on Gen 2:3

Verse 3. And God blessed the seventh day
The original word barach, which is generally rendered to bless, has a very extensive meaning. It is frequently used in Scripture in the sense of speaking good of or to a person; and hence literally and properly rendered by the Septuagint ευλογησεν, from ευ, good or well, and λεγω, I speak. So God has spoken well of the Sabbath, and good to them who conscientiously observe it. Blessing is applied both to God and man: when God is said to bless, we generally understand by the expression that he communicates some good; but when man is said to bless God, we surely cannot imagine that he bestows any gifts or confers any benefit on his Maker. When God is said to bless, either in the Old or New Testament, it signifies his speaking good TO man; and this comprises the whole of his exceeding great and precious promises. And when man is said to bless God, it ever implies that he speaks good OF him, for the giving and fulfilment of his promises. This observation will be of general use in considering the various places where the word occurs in the sacred writings. Reader, God blesses thee when by his promises he speaks good TO thee; and thou dost bless him when, from a consciousness of his kindness to thy body and soul, thou art thankful to him, and speakest good OF his name.
Because that in it he had rested
shabath, he rested; hence Sabbath, the name of the seventh day, signifying a day of rest-rest to the body from labour and toil, and rest to the soul from all worldly care and anxieties. He who labours with his mind by worldly schemes and plans on the Sabbath day is as culpable as he who labours with his hands in his accustomed calling. It is by the authority of God that the Sabbath is set apart for rest and religious purposes, as the six days of the week are appointed for labour. How wise is this provision! It is essentially necessary, not only to the body of man, but to all the animals employed in his service: take this away and the labour is too great, both man and beast would fail under it. Without this consecrated day religion itself would fail, and the human mind, becoming sensualized, would soon forget its origin and end. Even as a political regulation, it is one of the wisest and most beneficent in its effects of any ever instituted. Those who habitually disregard its moral obligation are, to a man, not only good for nothing, but are wretched in themselves, a curse to society, and often end their lives miserably. See Clarke on Exodus 20:8.; "Ex 23:12"; "Ex 24:16"; and See Clarke on Exodus 31:13.; to which the reader is particularly desired to refer.
As God formed both the mind and body of man on principles of activity, so he assigned him proper employment; and it is his decree that the mind shall improve by exercise, and the body find increase of vigour and health in honest labour. He who idles away his time in the six days is equally culpable in the sight of God as he who works on the seventh. The idle person is ordinarily clothed with rags, and the Sabbath-breakers frequently come to an ignominions death. Reader, beware.
http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=002

 

You supply all these lengthy arguments --- mostly borrowed from Sunday-keepers --- without attending to anything I have proposed --- because as you have told me before, you have had them prepared for years. And that's obvious the're so stale and dry and cold they're unpallatable. You vault your heaviest machines at the loftiest, holiest, most beautifull, most worthy of reasons and grounds for the Day of God's worship by a Christian People : that says it all. You make enemies of what should be co-labarors to the glory of Christ; you oppose Salvation with Law. How do you wish to atract any to your ways and methods? What does the Law have a searching soul won't find in Jesus Christ? In Him, first, and, WITHOUT the Law? Wherein does Christ fail that He cannot provide EVERYTHING the sinner needs unto salvation? Then why must the Sabbath stand on those obsolete principles? You say you treasure God's sabbath Day, yet starves it of life-giving food - its Maker Himself and the greatest, yes, in fact only creation of magnitude, His resurrection from the dead?
Go on your diet of sand pebbles like those ostridges with brains smaller than a pea!

 

Bob it's not a Red Herring as you suggest. You are the one that is trying to say that the law is still in effect, but you are trying to pick and choose which parts are in and which parts you don't care for. You don't get to do that. It's either all in or not. Which is it?

 

FTR;
As a casual observer, I am waiting for BobRyan to prove J Jump has lied, or whatever it is that BR is trying to say he did.
What I got from the initial post which set BR off on a tangent against JJ is that JJ pointed out an inaccurate interpretation of Scripture and then BR tried to make it look like JJ was applying that OT Scripture to a NT quote of Jesus which JJ most certainly did not do.

How very transparent of BR.

 

This is simply a Red Herring - I am surprised that people use it - (unless they listen to the vaccuous argument of Hank H).

We do not kill people for adultery either - but the "civil law" of Israel under a theocracy would argue that this is what must be done. The fact that we are not a theocracy and do not have the civil laws that go with it - does not mean "adultery must be ok".

The fact that "murder" is not listed in the restriction of Acts 15 for Gentiles does not mean we can INVENT a "whatever is not repeated gets deleted" approach to scripture and declare it is ok for Gentiles to murder.

The fact that the 3rd commandment IS NOT REPEATED in the NT does not mean we can take God's name in vain.

The fact that there is no command in the NT against making images of the one true God to worship the one true God - does not mean it is now ok.

All these "methods of eisegesis" to take away from God's Word - what does not please the traditions of man - may work for fine for Hank Hanagraf but I don't see how anyone serious about the Word of God in these specific areas would do it.

 

God said "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship" but JJ says that "this is only intended for unsaved Jews" -- people on their way to hell.

Kind of interesting if you ask me.

In Christ,

Bob

 

If this verse is true according to your theology, in the way that you are using it, then demonstrate it to be so. In order to do so then the message of salvation for today would have to read:

What must one do to be saved?
--Keep the Sabbath (not believe on Christ)

Does all of mankind keep the Sabbath? No.
Does all of Christendom keep the Sabbath? No.
Do all Bible-believing or evangelical Christians keep the Sabbath? No.
However do all evangelicals believe in Christ as their Saviour? YES!

What must I do to be saved?
Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
The Bible speaks nothing about keeping the Sabbath in order to be saved. Yet this is what you imply, yea even force yourself to believe by continually throwing out this verse in Isa.66. All mankind does not worship on the Sabbath. Why do you insist that they do. Are you telling lies, or are you taking Scripture out of context? Which do you plead guilty to?
DHK

 

I love it DHK - every time you are given the chance to show that you believe in TWO Gospels not one - -you do it!!

You insert statements above to the effect that in the OT God called mankind to "Rest on Sabbath BUT NOT accept the Messiah".

What a bogus argument DHK!

Why not stick with the Bible instead?

IN Gal 1:6-9 we see ONLY ONE Gospel is ALL OF TIME!
IN Heb 4:1-2 we see IT WAS THAT GOSPEL that was in effect, being preached and touching lives in the OT.

In HEB 11 we see EXAMPLES of lives that were changed under that ONE Gospel. It was not a "CHrist deny Gospel" as you seem to imagine above DHK.

Why is this simple concept of obeying God -- keeping His commandments - AND having FAITH in Christ -- so difficult for you DHK?

In Christ,

Bob

 

But “some” might argue that these saints “are special” and don’t actually live under the ONE Gopsel of Gal 6. As far fetched as that idea is – lets pursue some “proofs” showing that such wild speculation can not possibly be true.


Here John shows us that the saints of God commanded to “keep” the Pre-Cross Commandments of God.

And here John shows us that the saints are still to keep the commandments of God AFTER the resurrection of Christ!

Notice that this comes from BOTH pre-Cross and POST-Cross sources!!

 

Is it any surprise that Paul is in full agreement with John on this post-cross requirement to ”keep the commandments of God”?

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OOPS - there we have Paul telling us to "KEEP the Commandments of God" -- the very ones DHK insists Christ want's us to ignore PRECROSS in John 14:15!!

How instructive.

In Christ,

Bob