In a recent thread that was closed we saw conclusively that God has a Covenant children that are Given by the Father to the Son. Far from being a "man made doctrine"...it is a divinely revealed truth. The Lord Jesus Christ revealed the Father during the time of His incarnation. As a part of that additional revelation He revealed the Covenant of redemption in these words in John 6; All that the Father gives to me shall come to me, and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: This is clear and certain language. A multitude of people are given to the Son who will seek and save them. This is so clear only a mad man would seek to oppose it:laugh: How much comfort do you take in such solid promises knowing the same truth has been revealed in Hebrews 2;9-17 ?