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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Michael Wrenn, Feb 22, 2012.

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  1. Luke2427

    Luke2427 Active Member

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    Exactly.
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    #41 Luke2427, Feb 22, 2012
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    But not precisely as it is used today. That only came after Dort. Equivocation.
     
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  3. quantumfaith

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    1879? :laugh::laugh:

    The only time when "they" or the other side for that matter is "pesky" is when one is "disingenuous" about who or what you are.
     
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  4. glfredrick

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    That is Wrenn's insinuation.
     
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  5. quantumfaith

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    Which part?
     
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  6. glfredrick

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    All the various parts where he attributes all the world's evils to Calvinists. :laugh:
     
    #46 glfredrick, Feb 22, 2012
  7. Ed B

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    Edit: I see that Augustine of Hippo was already mentioned
     
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  8. quantumfaith

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    I am "assuming" you understood my intent. Not casting any dispersions, or rather, casting them equally.
     
    #48 quantumfaith, Feb 22, 2012
  9. DaChaser1

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    Think the "calinism" that is creeping into the baptist branches would be mainly DoG as reagrds to sotierology, NOT full blown of the reformed, as most baptists I know still dispy/pre mil in their view points!
     
    #49 DaChaser1, Feb 22, 2012
  10. jonathan.borland

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    That's funny. If someone's a 3 or 4 pointer then he's not a Calvinist.
     
    #50 jonathan.borland, Feb 22, 2012
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    I did say "Devils"....right?:D
     
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  12. DaChaser1

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    Don't know about that!

    many see 4 pointers as myself as being Cal!

    and still think calvin saw the atonement wee closer to a 4 than strict 5 pointer!
     
    #52 DaChaser1, Feb 22, 2012
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    You are a Scotsman now I see? Hoot Man!
     
    #53 Earth Wind and Fire, Feb 22, 2012
  14. jonathan.borland

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    I still think a 3-point Calvinist is quite a contradiction.

    VI. The Freeness of Salvation

    The blessings of salvation are made free to all by the gospel. It is the duty of all to accept them by penitent and obedient faith. Nothing prevents the salvation of the greatest sinner except his own voluntary refusal to accept Jesus Christ as teacher, Saviour, and Lord.

    If all Calvinists affirm this then they could have fooled me. How about the only thing that prevents a sinner from accepting Jesus is the fact that he was never chosen before he even had a voluntary chance to receive him in the first place. Not a little duplicitous. God elects us who believe based on perfect foreknowledge of the free will response of his creatures to his suasory working of grace in their lives.
     
    #54 jonathan.borland, Feb 22, 2012
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    i was thinking more 4 to 5 pointer, as we both affirm same things, its just I would see Jesus death provoding for salvation of all, bUT only tjose elected by god could actually receive him to get saved!
     
    #55 DaChaser1, Feb 22, 2012
  16. Michael Wrenn

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    I apologize for suddenly leaving the discussion; I had an emergency to attend to.

    I ask for prayers for my 90-year-old mom tomorrow as she gets tested for two lumps her doctor found in her breast. She's had a rough year, as about this time last year she fell and broke two pelvic bones.

    Now about Calvinism: For those who believe this, I really don't care if you do. Carry on, and I wish you peace.
     
    #56 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
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    I wanted to respond further to this.

    I had not read the 1925 BF&M in quite some time. I went back and read it tonight, and I can say this is a confession that I could affirm -- not every word, but almost all of it.

    The chairman of the committee was E.Y. Mullins, a great champion of soul liberty. If he were alive today, though, he would likely have been a victim of the so-called conservative resurgence. Dr. Herschel Hobbs would have been, too.
     
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  18. Luke2427

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    Brother Michael, would you be terribly upset if the DoG took back over the SBC and the SBC returned to its largely reformed roots?

    And why or why not?
     
    #58 Luke2427, Feb 23, 2012
  19. Michael Wrenn

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    Yes, I would be terribly upset.

    I don't want to offend you, and I have addressed the issue in many places here, so let me just say that I am passionately anti-Calvinist.

    However, one of the two people in my life who mean the most to me believes in OSAS -- and just as strongly and passionately as I disbelieve it. This has made for some good and heated discussions. :)
     
    #59 Michael Wrenn, Feb 23, 2012
  20. Luke2427

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    I appreciate your honesty.

    What would upset you about that taking place?

    And what denomination are you affiliated with right now? I ask this because, if I understood you correctly, you do not believe in eternal security and the vast majority of Southern Baptists do.

    God bless!
     
    #60 Luke2427, Feb 23, 2012
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