The SBC...and Slavery cont....

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  1. HeirofSalvation

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    Hold on..lemme get this straight:
    According to you (Alvin) you are "just" an "old Baptist Preacher"....who was non-committal about his views on homosexuality in Baptist Churches or what he was convinced of with respect to what the Bible taught on such topics...and YET.....you were simultaneously:
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    SLAM - DUNK


    :thumbsup:
     
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    Heir,
    As of late, I have been really tied up at work. This is the first time I have run across this guy, but congrats, you have him pegged. Sometimes we disagree on theology, but I think one thing we have in common is spotting a troll a mile away. One thing that you realize also, some pastors, leaders of our local New Testement churches, make some of the most bizarre theological statements on this board. Some pastors also call names that would get them kicked off the top of the steeple if they repeated their posts on Sunday morning.

    I really do not know what the phrase "I am just an old Baptist preacher" means or signifies. Does that contrast him from a young Baptist preacher? I did not read the entire thread about slavery. There is really nothing to say about it. It is a thing of the past, as far as I am concerned, a concept from the pits of hell, but we got rid of it, which means we are a better people. Liberal apologists will use any tool to advance their kumbaya causes.

    I commend you for making this person accountable until banning, but FYI, I have gotten one warning for my constant challanging a troll. (another one) Just be careful.
     
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    Alvin wrote:
    As a pastor of a Baptist church, I would have expected you to say that the future of humanity rests in God's hands. Just as it did when humanity tried to build a tower to the heavens -- to the stars -- a long time ago.

    As a pastor of a Baptist church, your words should have been damned when you said leave the word of God behind as a modern tower of Babel is being dreamed of by "scientists" and culturally elite who attended this conference.

    BTW, were you compensated, at tax payer expense, for presenting your paper?

    As a pastor of a Baptist church, you should know that you would face condemnation if you represented anything other than being a member of the body of Christ. As a pastor, you should have been representing HIM, first and foremost. Anything else would be a far distant second.

    And you do not reflect the thoughts of others? Your own words tell a different story. Surely you reflected the thoughts of others when you said:
    Quote: My paper was applauded by the scientific community, damned by the religious.

    Were you invited, as a pastor, because this group knew your "critical thinking" was in alignment with theirs? You wondered if I would have represented Southern Baptists.

    First, as a layman, I would not have been invited because a lowly AA behind my name doesn't account for much. Next, I would not have been invited because to the best of my ability I would have gone as a representative of Jesus Christ, my Saviour. Not to seek their applause and approval. Instead with the longing to one day hear these words.

    Matthew 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
     
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    Glad I posted to a Christian site

    Today I went back to read the comments regarding my original post. I was surprised a new new string was started. I have read every line of every comment and what surprises me the most is the angry posts. From a community of Christians you would think this would not be the case. Why is it there are certain questions that are not allowed to be raised? Traditions cannot be challenged, critical thinking is frowned upon, and everyone must reflect the major tenants of their faith...or else. Even this post I know will be taken apart and attacked piecemeal.
     
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    Awwww, poor little carpet bagger got caught in his deceit. Now he wants to cry to mama.
     
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    Don't take it personally Dr. A. There are some "nasty" personalities in here. You pose the questions that you want to ask and the folks who want to respond without making it personal will. While others will make you instead of what you said into the villain. Happy posting and don't let the devil, no matter how he masquerades, steal your joy.:thumbs:

    And I must say, this thread probably should not have been allowed because it seems to have been started as a continuing vehicle to now come at you after the other thread was closed.
     
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    Thanks Zac. Last night, at our prayer meeting, we were discussing some of comments made on this board and I mentioned to them that some times people will criticize me in kindest and most meaningful ways. We can be critical without causing harm. It is comments like yours that make it worth the effort to work as hard as I can and to think as clearly as I can for as long as I can.
     
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    Still wondering why you won't specifically answer the objections given, rather than just post general statements like this one....
     
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    Zaac, as a member of the body of Christ, do you agree with Dr. A's words? Have you read what he has presented as his position?

    Interesting, when I went to his web site to once again quote from his paper, it's no longer on his site. If memory serves, the welcome page title was Science and Religion.

    Search engine hasn't updated yet. Yahoo shows this.
    Clicking on the link now takes you to a promo of his book.

    Now it's "Southern Baptists, the Bible and Slavery". And a second book has been added. "From Missionary to Mercenary: How the Church Went From Pacifism to Militancy and Why it SHould Return."

    Anyway, found it from another source:
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Non-promise-of-Earth-b-by-Alvin-Carpenter-P-120920-409.html

    Zaac, those are a few quotes from the 4 page presentation. I urge you to read the whole thing.

    Do you still give him a thumbs up? Especially since he is the shepherd of an assembly of members of the body of Christ.
     
  12. alvin

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    Are you sure...

    What makes you think Zac agrees with my position? He is secure in what he believes so no matter what I have written he does not feel threatened.
     
  13. Zaac

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    Old Timer, I'd say go look at the other thread if you want to know where I stand on what Dr. A said. A lot of folks on here are just so quick to vilify anyone who doesn't hold the same position that they do.
     
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    Zaac, I went back and read every word you wrote in the other thread and this one.

    This comment still stands out.
    On the one hand you give a thumbs up to a pastor who is teaching, that God and the Bible should be left behind by NASA, to continue to do so here. Thumbs up to a pastor who is using the past to bring about more discord among the members of the body of Christ. A pastor who is using the might of his pen to divide brethern based on skin color. I noticed that you did stand against his teachings in the other thread.

    You tell him, in essence, to keep on posting what so many stand against. Yet on the other hand, in the very same post, you state that others "probably should not have been allowed" to continue.

    Zaac, the choice is yours, not mine to use the :thumbsup: whenever you please. So, in closing, I'll just ask you one more question. In your opinion:

    If Pastor Alvin Carpenter had setup a table in the Temple to hawk his books along with copies of the speech he gave at NASA (his speech was on his web site until a day or so ago), would Jesus Christ have overturned his table, too?

    As for me, I cannot give a :thumbsup: to any man who recommends discarding the Bible in lieu of a "space-born religion is going to be based on science,".
     
  15. alvin

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    Dissent and the Reformation

    What I find interesting from these posts is that many forget that if it were not for dissent there would have been no Reformation and we would all still be genuflecting before papal authorities. Baptists came from dissent and anytime we exclude all dissent (and those who allow them to be heard) we are claiming we have arrived. As we all know the Christian faith is a constant journey and we "arrive" when Jesus returns to us or we return to Him. Otherwise, out task is to interpret Jesus to the age in which we live. Again, of course Zaac does not agree with me but...we does not fear dissent. Why should he?
     
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    Don't disgrace the real men that put their life on the line for the word of God by comparing what you do to them. You have nothing in common. They stood up for the word of God, while you throw it under the bus. Y'all are diametrically opposed, and you are the type that the scriptures warn about imo. You have no love for the scriptures by your own admission, so, you, sir, are a fraud that calls yourself a preacher and tries to make merchandise off of people.
     
  17. Zaac

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    Why are we even having this discussion?:laugh: I stated that he shouldn't be vilified because of his position. If his position is wrong, call it that and leave it at that.

    This thread has been filled with a bunch of personal attacks against him because of what his stance was in the other thread.

    I believe that he is wrong on this issue. But that's not reason to treat him as less than a Brother in Christ. THAT's what I'm speaking to.

    Many on here supported Mitt Romney, a man who in every part of his core goes against Jesus Christ. I don't recall any of those treating each other in such a way. Why? The why is because they were in agreement.

    But anyone who did not agree was treated the same way Dr. A is now being treated.

    As I've said repeatedly in the past, there are several people on here who can be pretty nasty if your viewpoint is not the same as theirs. They start to ignore what was said and start with the personal attacks.

    His table would have been overturned just like all the other vendors. I don't think Dr. A would refute this.

    Why would I give him a thumbsup? That's my point. He stated his views. Why are we giving him a thumbsup or down as opposed to his views? I just question why the people on this board are so quick to personally attack anyone who does not hold the same stance as they do?
     

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