The SDA prophet denies the diety of Christ

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  1. targus

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    "The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty." -Ellen G. White (1903, ms 150, SDA Commentary V, p. 1129)

    What more do I need to say?
     
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    Wow - that says enough.
     
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    So now, move up real close to your moniters as we hear Ann and Targus explain to us the inner workings of the Incarnation.

    If you read ANYONE on the Trinity you will be able to pick out a specific sentence or thought that is contradictory in some limited sense. The more that is written the more questions that can be asked. The quote mentioned can in no way be a clear indication of how she felt in the overall scheme of things.

    I most likely would disagree with her on many issues, but to take a quote out of all context and use it in the manner it appears to be used here is not a fair way to conclude anything.
     
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    The argument that Christ was fully God and fully man at the same time in the same sense does absolutely nothing to clear up the Trinity or Incarnation in my mind. Something cannot be and not be at the same time in the same sense. I would conclude that Christ and God were indeed one in ‘some sense and in some manner’ yet in another sense, God is not a man and cannot be tempted as men, yet Christ was a man and was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin.

    I fully admit that at the end of the day, my conclusions are, as well, ‘less than insightful’ as are all conclusions and explanations, including those of ‘orthodox’ Trinitarian doctrine. They all fall short of discovering the mystery that exists in the relationship of God and Christ in the Incarnation to one degree or another.
     
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    I am hoping that Bobryan who is SDA will be able to explain it to us.
     
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    Let me take this one step further. I believe this thread should be closed on the basis of the quote in the OP, due to the fact that one quote with no context in sight, with the conclusion posted in the title of the OP by Targus, amounts to nothing short of slander or gossip designed to foment distrust in others that happen to be SDA, again without a solid basis for such wild accusations.
     
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    I found a fuller quote of this:
    "But although Christ's glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became man...The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one." SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5 p.1129

    Yes, or no? Either Jesus Christ was God, or He was not. Fully God and fully man. not half and half, not one but not the other. If Jesus was not God then we are all hopelessly lost and condemned to hell. If He was fully God, then the word of God is not a lie.

    Sorry folks. EGW was a false prophet, and yet the SDA have no problem with her or her false teachings? Something is very wrong with that.
     
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    What accusations?
     
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    The allegation that she denied the Diety of Christ.
     
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    HP: That clearly establishes the Diety of Christ. I fing that some trinitarians so trying to elevate His Diety that they detract from His humanity. I personally find her statements ( as I read them here) simply trying to cover both bases fairly.
     
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    Cover both bases?

    But she is a "PROPHET" to the SDA.

    As a PROPHET shouldn't she be givng the single truth and not a menu of choices?

    To the SDA Ellen White's writing carry the authority of Scripture.
     
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    Indeed - "He did not cease to be God"

    Having thus affirmed the Divinity of Christ as God - as "equal to the Father" Ellen White also affirmed God the Holy Spirit as the "Third person of the Godhead".

    Many - many details that Targus feels compelled to ignore apparently.

    Oh well.

    He is free to bark up the wrong tree as long as he pleases.

    But the reality is that

    SDAs do have a lot of doctrinal differences with other denominations (as I have shown a great number of times on this board) - however the gaming method that Targus uses has never been a way to "get Adventists to believe" some wild idea.

    Thus ALL Adventists (including Ellen White) have accepted that Enoch lived 300 years and prior to being taken to heaven - gave birth to Methuselah who then lived for almost 1000 years (dying the year of the flood).

    In the same way - Ellen White affirms Christ as "Equal to the Father" and as "not ceasing to be God" when He came to earth.

    Sadly Targus likes to "imagine another denomation" - and he is free to do that all he likes. His gaming does not change the actual history or beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    HP makes a comment about the incarnation of Christ -- addressing the fact that in the incarnation Christ has BOTH Human nature AND Divinity.

    Targus responds with his standard "gaming" retort - pretending not to understand the concept of the incarnation and TWO natures in Christ.

    So it is all good "gaming" on Targus' part - but totally lacking in substance.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Except she didn't say that did she?

    You have to excuse it with the "typo" defense.
     
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    Is this where you pretend not to have read the responses given to this already?

    If so I have to say that you are not helping your argument as much as you may have at first imagined.

    here is the "long form" of info that Ellen White mentioned about Enoch --

    (As compared to your once sentence snippet from a periodical that had a typo)

     
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    Then of course we have your claims that Ellen White did not admit to the Bible fact that Enoch lives 300 years, then Methuselah lives for almost 1000 years - dying the year of the flood -

     
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    For those curious about the description of the flood itself - a bonus

     
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    if He wasn't God, or was not fully God(while being fully man), then His sacrifice is meaningless.
    how anyone who beleives the bible can defend a false prophet is beyond me, unless they prefer to trust people not God and His written word.
     
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    While it is true that many believe the phrase "the angel of the Lord" refers to the pre-incarnate Jesus (where "angel" means "messenger"), Ellen White taught that Michael the Archangel (a very specifically named angel - a created being) was Jesus.
    http://www.mmoutreachinc.com/seventh_day_adventists/sda_facts.html

    http://www.macgregorministries.org/seventh_day_adventists/jesusismichael.html

    Also see
    http://www.truthorfables.com/Is_Michael_Christ.htm
     
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    But I am sure that Targus is wanting "more on Metheselah" and far be it from me to deny him his quest -

     

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