The SDA prophet denies the diety of Christ

"equal with the Father" is not a funny kind of way of saying "not fully God".

"Did not cease to be God" is also not an effective way of saying "not fully God"

I think many will be able to see that point.

Again - this is not one of those key areas where an actual difference is to be had. But there are many such areas -

in Christ,

Bob

 

There are some denominations that teach that Christ was not God -- not "equal to the Father" not "God" -- but Adventists are not one of them. And neither is Ellen White. Her statement is that Christ "did not CEASE to be God at the incarnation" and that as God He was "equal to the Father".

Impossible to shoehorn that view into "just an exaulted angel".

But then what about Michael?

In Genesis God is seen visiting Abraham to discuss Sodom and Gomorrah - along with two angels. They appear as "three men". But as much as we may sing "men are not god - men are not god" it does not change the Bible fact that God was able to appear in that form as scripture said.

This is also true in Romans 2 where Paul says that God will judge the world through "the MAN Christ Jesus". We may sing that "man is not God" but does not change the Romans 2 Bible fact that Christ is titled that way.

In fact Ellen White's view of Christ as God the Son - is that HE is the one God thundering the commandments from Sinai as God the Son. HE is the one that Moses speaks with at the top of Sinai. HE is the one seen by the 70 elders on the side of the mountain. None of this is compatible with those groups that believe that Christ was just an exaulted angel.

In Is 9 Christ is said to be "everlasting father Prince of peace" that is "given unto you" given to God's People as the "God-Man".

In Dan 10 he is the "prince of your people"

In Rev 12 He is the one who has HIS OWN angels that then wars against Satan and his angels.

Christ appears in that form as commander of the Angels - but He is no less God than when he appeared in the form of a man to Abraham.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Equating Jesus with Michael the Archangel is demoting Jesus; Michael is a created being.

 

As already stated in Genesis we have God and 2 angels being described as "3 men" seen walking toward Abraham.

We may sing songs all we wish about "men are created beings" however a careful reading of scripture shows that the Bible writers never considered God to be a "created being". Thus "appearing in the form of a man" did not "make God a created being".

I keep noticing that point.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Once again Targus claims not to be able to read the sections posted - even when they are highlighted for him in red.

Oh well.

Also - as I stated earlier - Ellen White had more than 50,000 pages of manuscript. The tiny little one sentence wonders that the SDA bashing sites hope to spin - do not stand up to "CONTEXT" when we view the full list of statements on that subject by the author they want to "spin". Which means the misdirection provided on the SDA-bashing sites is great for those who do not actually read the underlying documents in context.

My response is to provide those underlying documents so that the readers can make up their own minds on that point instead of simply being told what to think.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Hint -- nothing in the Adventist statement of beliefs says "Christ as God the Son was a created being" and there is not even a statement from Ellen White saying "Christ was at one time a created being".

Apart from the incarnation where God the Son is "incarnated" into human flesh as the God-man (a case where as noted above "He did not cease to be God") there is no case in which Christ was anything other than eternal God THOUGH He certainly DID appear to Abraham as YHWH in Gen 18:1 and accompanied by two angels, took on the form of "three men".

We may have songs and dances all day long about "men" being created beings - but that did not mean that YHWH (who in this case was God the Son just as is the case at Sinai) was a created being.

The same is true about God the Son appearing in the form of Michael as commander of the Angel hosts of heaven.

in Christ,

Bob