The Sheep and the Goats Judgment

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  1. InTheLight

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    When does the separation of the Sheep and the Goats take place?

    1. After the tribulation and just before the Millennium. The sheep are allowed to enter the Millennial Kingdom and the goats are not.

    2. At the end of the Age, at the final judgment.

    Please state your opinion and the reasons you believe as you do.
     
  2. OldRegular

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    At the Great White Throne Judgment. The reason I believe as I do is because I read the Scripture passage which begins:

    Matthew25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
     
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    It occurs prior to the Millenium. It is in error to conflate the judgements(plural) of Matthew 25 with the judgement(singular) of Revelation 20.

    The Matthew 25 judgement is a judgement on the gentile nations (Matthew 25:31-46)(Joel 3:1-2). Those who are being judged are those who are living on the earth at the time of Christ's return. We know this because this judgment occurs on the earth as indicated in (Joel 3) and (Zechariah 14:4) and because there is no mention of the dead being resurrected and brought into this judgment. So we see this is a physical and literal judgment on the earth.

    There is a series of judgments that will be made which are:

    1. the tribulation period. (Mattew 24:4-26)

    2. the second advent of Christ (Mattew 24:27-30)

    3. the gathering of Israel (Matthew 24:31)

    4. the judgment of Israel (25:1-30)

    5. the judgment of Gentiles (Matthew 25:31-46)

    And then there will be the Kingdom to follow after that.
     
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    It happens on the last day;

    28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

    29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation


    39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.


    No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
     
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    There is one more resurrection, the General Resurrection of John 5:28, 29, and one judgment, the Great White Throne of Revelation 20. The judgment of Matthew 25 is the White Throne Judgment. There is no reason to splinter the Word of God.
     
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    John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

    Wonder if the Christians in Iraq are undergoing tribulation, or those in the Sudan?

    Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    Same event!

    Not really:

    Romans 9:6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

    I don't see Israel mentioned.

    Where does it say Gentiles?

    Amen! The New Heavens and New Earth where the Church, the Bride of Jesus Christ, shall dwell with God eternally. {Revelation 21, 22}.
     
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    One judgment on last day of time. Final answer.
     
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    Doesn't get any better than that!
     
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    Goats "have a mind of their own", sheep need a shepherd and are leadable.
    At the end of the Tribulation they will be separated - the sheeple will populate the earth in the Millennium.

    When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [come where?]
    And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
    [King of what?]
    Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31-34

    I'll let the Scriptures "do the talking".

    Acts 3:19 Peter declares the Millennium, the "Gospel of the Kingdom":
    Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
    And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things,
    which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
     
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    Our resident hyper-dispensationalist speaks. All give heed!
     
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    I am trying to figure out why this post was necessary.
     
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    Beameup is an unapologetic hyper-dispensationalist, at least as far as I can tell and I don't recall him denying it. I appreciate that even though I believe hyper-dispensationalism is heretical.

    I suspect there are others on this Board who won't 'fess up! Some sure get hyper when some of the erroneous teachings of dispensationalism are pointed out.
     
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    So what? How does that justfy your inane useless post.
     
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    "Replacement Theology" is a 1 1/2 millennia old Catholic heresy,
    where the "Church" replaces "Israel" (except in those negative
    passages, where it still means "the Jews").
     
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    I am not big on replacement theology myself. The New Testament Church is simply a continuation of Spiritual Israel {The ones who were saved!} in the Old Testament. I like what the SBC Statement of Faith {2000} says about the Church.

    Then there is the marvelous passage from Revelation:

    Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    Now I have no doubt that the souls of Abraham and King David, as well as all the redeemed up until that time, were among the multitude
     
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    :thumbs:

    "43. Despite the dispensationalists’ fundamental theological commitment to the radical distinction between “Israel and the Church” (Ryrie), the New Testament sees two “Israels” (Rom. 9:6-8)—one of the flesh, and one of the spirit—with the only true Israel being the spiritual one, which has come to mature fulfillment in the Church. (The Christian Church has not replaced Israel; rather, it is the New Testament expansion.) This is why the New Testament calls members of the Church “Abraham’s seed” (Gal 3:26-29) and the Church itself “the Israel of God” (Gal 6:16)."
    The Ninety-Five Theses Against Dispensationalism

    Note "The Christian Church has not replaced Israel; rather, it is the New Testament expansion", which coincides with the 'enlargement' of Isa 54 and many other passages:

    26 And he said, Blessed be Jehovah, the God of Shem......
    27 God enlarge Japheth, And let him dwell in the tents of Shem...... Gen 9

    1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith Jehovah.
    2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thy habitations; spare not: lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes.
    3 For thou shalt spread aboard on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall possess the nations, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Isa 54 (see also Gal 4:26,27; Ps 87)

    Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass that, in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Hos 1:10

    And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10:16

    ...and there was no way the 'old covenant' skins of Judaism was able to contain this 'enlargement':

    37 And no man putteth new wine into old wine-skins; else the new wine will burst the skins, and itself will be spilled, and the skins will perish.
    38 But new wine must be put into fresh wine-skins. Lu 5

    I like that too.
     
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    ROFGuffawing! I'm gonna remember that one.
     
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    Just consider the words he could have used! I am just thankful he did not have a Thesaurus. He could have said:

    How does that justfy your inane, absurd, asinine, daft, empty, fatuous, flat, foolish, frivolous, futile, harebrained, idiotic, illogical, imbecilic, innocuous, insipid, jejune, laughable, meaningless, mindless, pointless, puerile, ridiculous, sappy, senseless, silly, trifling, unintelligent, vacant, vacuous, vain, vapid, weak, wishy-washy, worthless, useless post.
     
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    This is one of those passages that I'm not settled on dogmatically. He stated here:

    But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory...Mt 25:31

    ...and He states here:

    Verily I say unto you, there are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Mt 16:28

    Which leads me to believe this could somehow be an ongoing continuous judgment outside this material realm of time not visible to the physical eye.

    [add]

    This is not the only possible interpretation that I've considered either.
     
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    Actually OR, there's probably none other on this board that makes more 'inane, insulting, obnoxious, useless posts' than Revmitchell himself. Think hypocrite.
     
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