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The shocking link between psychiatric drugs, suicide, violence and mass murder

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Rufus_1611, Jul 10, 2007.

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  1. Ed Edwards

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    Caveat: Do not make medical judgements on misreadings
    of what is said at www.wnd.com
    wnd.com is a source of bad science, bad news,
    bad medicine; invalid paranoia & conspiracy theory;
    excellent source of baseless propaganda examples. :(

    I will continue to lobby the PTB (powers that be)
    at BB (Bapitst Board) to not allow pointers to
    WND.COM on their web site.

    Though I must admit World News Daily is better
    than Weekly World News ;)
     
    #21 Ed Edwards, Jul 12, 2007
  2. Baptist in Richmond

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    Yes, except that the fact that practically everyone in the country has engaged in the same behavior, I think we can safely exclude them from the study group......


    Regards,
    BiR
     
    #22 Baptist in Richmond, Jul 12, 2007
  3. Magnetic Poles

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    I'm not too sure Ed. Batboy seems more credible than WND! :laugh:
     
    #23 Magnetic Poles, Jul 13, 2007
  4. Rufus_1611

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    I have not made a statistical or mathematical argument here. Bottom-line is the drug manufacturers admit that these drugs have some very real and dangerous side effects and it just so happens that in a number of cases folks that are committing mass homicides happen to be on the drugs that these manufacturers say contribute to homicidal tendencies, 'tis a curious thing.
     
    #24 Rufus_1611, Jul 13, 2007
  5. Rufus_1611

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    Worldnetdaily is a neoconservative site with significant misdirection. However, in order for a source to lend themselves credibility they have to mix in a bit of truth in order to mislead with their lies. Most sights with agendas have about 80-90% truth and I believe, on this topic, WND is on to something and can be corroborated by other sources. To dwell on the WND thing is about as effective as the milk and water arguments.

    How about we focus on just one matter....

    Is the above statement fact or fiction? If it is fact, are these adverse drug reactions worth having millions of people taking these drugs? Notice that one of the adverse drug reactions is depression! How can a side effect for an anti-depressant be depression?! What is the number of people that experience psychosis, hallucinations etc. before we say wooah, problem?

    Let's make it two matters...

    Do you agree that there is a link between SSRIs and suicide? The FDA, Eli Lilly and Pfizer seem to think so and here's a non-WND site that says so...

     
    #25 Rufus_1611, Jul 13, 2007
  6. Ed Edwards

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    Somebody uptopic is trying to make a statistical argument.
    Well some one find me 900+ murders a year to make the
    15 million antidepressant users EQUAL to the general
    American population.

    Unfortunately the pseudo-statistical argument begs
    for more government stats, control, and meddling.

    relatively unbiased Source:
    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ssris/MH00066

    IMHO SSRI's make one think clearer.
    If one is thinking of suicide, one is more
    capable of planning and executing that plan.
     
    #26 Ed Edwards, Jul 13, 2007
  7. Rufus_1611

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    Whereas one without the SSRI's won't be able to locate the trigger?

    You didn't answer my questions Ed. That's alright, not the first time.

    I'll just note that from your relatively unbiased source:

    I find it interesting that they included neither depression nor homicidal ideation as a side effect.
     
    #27 Rufus_1611, Jul 13, 2007
  8. Ed Edwards

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    I've already answered that up-topic:

    by contrast, Mayo Clinic has no legal reason for listing
    low odds sides.
     
    #28 Ed Edwards, Jul 13, 2007
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    Or push each other outta windows (Thanks Archy Bunker).
     
    #29 TC, Jul 14, 2007
  10. JustChristian

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    This is like saying that those who take a medication to reduce their blood pressure (e.g. Toprol) have a higher incidence of heart attacks and therefore Toprol causes heart attacks. We're talking about a subset of people who are clinically depressed and therefore more likely to consider suicide. I'd like to see a statistic comparing all those who are clinically depressed who don't take medication versus those who do. That would be meaningful.
     
    #30 JustChristian, Jul 14, 2007
  11. Ed Edwards

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    BaptistBeliever: //This is like saying that those who take a medication
    to reduce their blood pressure (e.g. Toprol) have
    a higher incidence of heart attacks
    and therefore Toprol causes heart attacks.//

    Strangely, I take Toprol and an SSRI .

    (Ed thumbs thru DANGEROUS DRUG INTERACTIONS,
    The People's Pharmacy Guide {(St Martin's Paperbacks, 1999}) )

    Evidently Prozac* might have some bad interactions with Toprol
    (If I have a heart attack I should notify my Doctor immediately).
    SSRIs aren't listed yet. Maybe I should get a 2007 book?

    *Prozac is NOT what I take. But I have a friend from whom
    Prozac made the past 7 years livable.
     
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