The sign of the son of man

Lastday

Kyredneck,
You quoted me of Lastday saying:

After asking what this means, you observe:

Jesus proclaimed the message that the Kingdom of God was among them.
Much later He told the Disciples the Kingdom was not coming immediately.
His Gospel promised immediate entrance into all "blessings" of the Kingdom.

Keeping the Law was no longer required for participation in the Kingdom.
The Acts 15 Council convinced Jews that the Law had been superseded.
Jews nationally are blinded to our New Covenant based on Christ's death.

The New Covenant of Jer.31; Heb.8; Rom.11 is not a "Blood Covenant".
Rather it involves "forgiveness of sin and acceptance of Jewish sorrow".
It will still require the sacrificial system as the remembrance of His grace.

In fact the Gentile nations must share in the worship of God at Jerusalem.
The purpose is to lead these nations into an eternal relationship with God.
The Davidic Covenant occurs when Jesus casts the Goat nations into Hell.
Mel

 

Lastday

Truth Files:
What is your response to the following facts?

Jesus certainly applied the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy to that of the
great tribulation and to the resurrection of the Saints when He comes the
second time!

As the Messiah, He was "cut off" 5 days after the 69th (that is, the SOLAR aspect of the final) "7" was finished.
The SOLAR fulfillment was His Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem to fulfill Zech.9:9 and Dan.9:26A!!

Daniel's prophecy means nothing unless Jesus died on Friday, Nisan 14,
5 days after the 69th Seven was fulfilled on the SOLAR calendar to the very DAY...on Palm Sunday, Nisan 9.
But the 21 extra Prophetic days did not end until Nisan 30...21 days "AFTER" Jesus fulfilled the SOLAR days on Nisan 9!!!

The TIME GAP between Dan.9:26A and 9:26 was forced by the text of Dan.9:26B which was fulfilled 37 years after Christ died...in AD 70!

But Hosea requires the gap to last for 2000 years...until 2033 AD!!

We have about 20 years to go before Satan is cast from heaven and the Abomination sits in the Temple and is opposed by the Two Prophets
in order to fulfill the final 1260 (+3) days!!! Matt.24:15; Rev.12: 7-14 and Rev.11:1-11.

The "last day" of 69 Prophetic sets of 7 from BC 444 to AD 33, that of 173,880 days (360x7x69), was Sunday, Nisan 30, Ad 33. Jesus died on Friday, Nisan 14...
16 days before the "last day" of 483 years (69x7). He died 16 days before the end of the 69th "7"!

The "last day" of the Solar countdown from BC 444 to AD 33, that of 173,859 days (365.25x7x68) was Sunday, Nisan 9, AD 33. Jesus fulfilled Zech.9:9 just 21
days before the Prophetic end of the 69th "7". Palm Sunday was the Day the Jews failed to recognize and which Jesus referred to as the "Day of His visitation"!!

Both the 68 Sets of Solar 7's and 69 sets of Prophetic 7's fulfilled Dan.9:26A all of 37 years before the destruction of the Temple in AD 70. Since the gap between
AD 33 and AD 70 is only a part of the 2000 years that separates the 69th and 70th Seven, Jesus placed the Endtime of Daniel's 1290 days in the Eschatological
context of His coming at the "end of time"!!!
Mel

 

Correction:
I wrote:

It should have been between "Dan.9:26A and 9:27" with 9:26B waiting
until AD 70 to show a gap of 37 years separated Christ's death and the
destruction of the second Jewish Temple!

Jesus revealed that, on Palm Sunday, Nisan 9, AD 33, the last SOLAR day in
the countdown from BC 444 until that Day was a fulfillment of Zech.9:9!!

It was almost the fulfillment of Dan.9:26A which required that He would be
cut off on Nisan 14 (five days later) after being presented as prince Messiah!!!

Therefore, the 37-year gap that began with Nisan 30, AD 33, continues until
the "abomination sits in (a third) Temple demanding he be worshiped as God!

This act is part of the "stage setting" that must occur prior to the 6th Seal,
the signs of which our friend Truth, claims can begin to occur at any moment!!

Jesus placed these Signs (Rev.6:12-17) "immediately AFTER the great tribulation"!!!
Mel

 

Lastday

Truth,

Show Me why

I'm sure you will say the signs of Rev.6:12-17 are "before" the 70th "7" of Daniel because Joel states these signs will come "before the Day of the Lord";
but to do this you must prove the Day of Wrath includes the entire period of 2550 days!

Can you disprove Joel saw the Signs just "before" the Events of the Day Christ appears which will occur "after" the Great Tribulation ends...and
then prove the 2550-day period constitutes the Day of God's wrath?

How can the proclamation that God's wrath has come be made 7 years before the last Plague "completes His anger" (thumos; not wrath, orgay)??

How do you explain that, because the Temple opens after the Last Plague of His Anger (thumos) empties in the air, "no one can enter the Temple
in heaven for the 7th Trumpet to proclaim God's Wrath "has come"???

You are assuming the entire "setting" for the start of the 70th "7" is now in
place because the Jews are being gathered back to their land. We believe
that world government must be in place before the 70th "7" can begin!

Jesus said "we will know" when the End is Near; and we don't yet know for sure. Until we "see the Abomination in the Temple", we should not
assume the Signs of Seal Six may occur at any moment!!

So I respectfully challenge your assumptions that...(1) the 70th "7" could begin tomorrow. (2) Seven years separate the Signs of Seal 6 and
the Signs of Matt.24:29. (3) God's "Day of Wrath" begins 7 years before the 7 last Plagues exhaust His patience having "completed His anger"!!!
Mel

 

Lastday

Truth Files,

Is that the best you can do?
Classify me as a false teacher??
Continue to ignore my questions???

I seek to discuss ideas with people who are responsive!
I find nothing responsive in your writings about God's timing!!
You seem completely lost in promoting two periods of the Day of Wrath!!!
Mel

 

Lastday

9/13/2010 - 3:00 PM - #48 - Lord's Discourse:
Truth,
You write:

John reveals, in the 2nd Seal, that "peace will be taken from the earth" before the signs of the Day of Wrath can begin!

That corresponds to the "breaking of the covenant of Dan.9:27 in the midst of Daniel's 70th "7". This is part of the "stage setting" for the Day of Wrath...
a stage setting that occurs PRIOR to the Signs of Seal #Six!!

I don't see how you can support your claim that "no prophecy needs to be fulfilled before the Day of Wrath begins...that it could begin today"!!!
Mel
9/13/2010 - 4:11 PM - #49 - Lord's Discourse - Truth's Response:

Is this simply evasiveness or the concession that you could be wrong at insisting "no event must precede the start of the 70th '7'"?
Everyone you may talk to will affirm the Antichrist takes peace from earth at mid-term of the 70th "7". You stake your entire viewpoint
on disproving this consensus.
For it is clear that removing peace from earth precedes the Signs of Seal 6.
Mel

 

Lastday

dwmoeller1,
Inverse Parallel Sets the stage for Christ's Second Coming.

Rev.12:1-14 (SC precipitated by conflict of 1260 Endtime Days):

A. Signs in heaven of Christ's first coming before His ascent to heaven.
B. Followed by 1260 Endtime Days before Christ returns from heaven.
Rev.11:3-12 (SC Anticipated by Rev.10:6-7; Rev.11:6-7):
B. Two Prophets finish God's mystery during 1260 days of conflict.
A. Signs of Christ's second coming as Prophets ascend to heaven.

On Another Pattern in Revelation...
While we are looking at the Big Picture,
We might expand to ABCD and DCBA as follows:

Inverse Parallelism of 1260 Endtime Days and Christ's Coming:
Rev.12:5-14:

A. At Christ's Ascent to Heaven He is "about to rule the nations". 12:5.
B. 1260 Endtime days precede Christ's 2nd Coming on Lastday. 12:6.
C. Days filled with open conflict between God and Satan. 12:7-9.
D. God's Kingdom Power vs Satan during 3 1/2 Times. 12:10-14.

Rev.11:3-17:
D. Two Prophets stand before God against Beast for 1260 days. 11:3-6.
C. Conflict between Beast and Prophets ends on day #1260. 11:7-10.
B. Prophesied 1260 days end with last woe coming quickly. 11:11-14.
A. Christ begins Rule at Trump #7 Coronation on Lastday. 11:15-17.

Chiasmos Parallels set the relationship of 1260 Endtime Days to the SC.
Mel

 

Lastday

Friends, About the so-called "2550 days"

The Prophetic countdown for the 70th "7" of Daniel, as well as for the first
69 sets of seven, is a multiple of 30-day months. The key to this counting
is the mention of 1290 days which gives us 43 months...one month extra!

Daniel, and the wise men who calculated the prophecy based on 30-day
months, realized that each solar-year period of 365 days produced an
extra 35 days every 7-year period. The 1290 days of Dan.12:11 simply
recognizes the existence of enough extra days for an extra 43rd month.
The total 1335 days brings Israel to Hanukkah; dedication of the Temple!!

So it is incorrect to include the extra 30-day month as part of the Endtime.
The "mystery of God ends in the (3) days when the 7th Trumpet is about
to sound that 'God's wrath has come'". Daniel was told that "all things are
accomplished during the 3.5 times (1260) days of the great tribulation". I
would like to return to my basic premise that Christ comes at the End of Time (the Lastday) which must occur at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet...
3 days after the Two Prophets are killed by the Beast...3 days that allow the armies of the Evil Trio to rape and pillage Israel as they cross the
Euphrates River and gather precipitously for the slaughter at Armageddon when Christ appears with all the Saints!!!

The reason the Prophets lie dead for 3.5 days, rather than 3 or 4, is to alert the Jewish mind to the possibility that their Messiah could rescue the
"saints who come with Him on the Day of the Lord" (according to Zech.14:1-6) while they, the Remnant are left behind until the Twilight Hour which
begins a new day...in this case a Sunday! There will be two "special days of rest" per Lev.
25:34-39 that begin an "8-Day Celebration" from Sunday to Sunday!! This is
the beginning of the 7th Millennium...It begins the 1000-year Day of the Lord!!!

Truth Files has imagined that Zech.14:1-2 belongs to a period of years prior to the "one unique day that is neither day nor night...known only to the Lord
and which ends at Twilight"! The days that separate Zech.14:2 and 3 are the 3.5 days that occur "after the 2nd woe has seen the armies from the East
kill a third of mankind in one hour"!! Rev.11:14. The Third woe comes "quickly" as these armies are pillaging and destroying the lives and homes of the
Jews who hope for their Messiah to rescue them as He has promised!!!

On that single Day the Lord will "come and gather the elect from earth to
meet Him for the Wedding/Rewards in the sky during the Hour of Trial !
While the Jews mourn and pray to escape all these things and to stand
before the Son of Man!! But not likely until the first of the two "days of rest"
is over at the beginning of the Twilight Hour!!!
Mel