The Sign

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  1. skypair

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    I was reading Luke17 last night and ...

    ... it says the sign of the son of man is "as the lightning shineth from the one end of heaven to the other."

    This is definitely a sign. Is it of the rapture or the 2nd coming? If we are not to come down off the rooftop or return to gather our stuff, is it going to be obvious? "Rememer Lot's wife," it says. So that is a possibility?? for believers??

    The passage says people disappear!

    I think we ought to think seriously about this passage, guys. :1_grouphug: It could be any day! What will it look like? I'm imagining the glory of Christ and the angels on the horizon lighting up the sky as if they all looked like Moses and Elijah in the transfiguration only 10,000 times brighter! Night or day -- it will be impressive! When we see it, will we be ready? Will it be among our expectations?

    What think ye, saints?

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    You are right. It will be impressive.
     
  3. Grasshopper

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    John Gill

    so shall also the son of man be in his day: which is not to be understood of the swift progress of the Gospel, after his resurrection and ascension, and the pouring forth of his Spirit; but of his sudden coming, first to take vengeance on the Jewish nation for their rejection of him,

    Luk 17:30 - Even thus shall it be in the day when the son of man is revealed. In his power, when he comes to avenge himself on the Jews; and when he is revealed from heaven in flaming fire, at the last day. As in the days of Noah and Lot, men lived in great carnality and security, thoughtless and fearless of danger, so were the Jews before the destruction of their city and temple, buoying themselves up with deliverance to the last; and such will be the times of indolence and supineness, before the coming of the day of the Lord to judgment: and as the destruction of the old world, and men of Sodom, and the adjacent parts, was sudden and unexpected, so was the destruction of Jerusalem,

    Luk 17:34 - I tell you, in that night,.... Of affliction and calamity, that shall be upon the Jewish nation, and which is before called that day, Luk_17:31 and therefore is not to be understood literally of the night:


    Albert Barnes:

    Luk_17:30
    Even thus ... - Destruction came upon the old world, and upon Sodom, “suddenly;” when they were engaged in other things, and little expecting this. “So” suddenly and unexpectedly, says he, shall destruction come upon the Jewish people. See the notes at Matt. 24.

    The ones “disappearing” are the ones taken in judgment:

    John Gill
    The one shall be taken and the other left; the Roman soldiers entering the mill, will lay hold on the one, and carry her away with them, and leave the other; and for which no other reason can be given, but the sovereign will and providence of God, which should overrule and dispose the minds of these men, to act in such a manner.
     
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    "Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 [fn4] Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left."37 And they answered and said to Him, "Where, Lord?"
    So He said to them, "Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

    Doesn't sound like the rapture or the resurrection of life either.
     
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    One more point I forgot to mention...

    Did you see Luke 17:37? "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." My new thought on this is that believers are "eagles" and the "body" is body of Christ.

    Think about it -- John's gospel, the gospel to believers, is seen in Rev 4:7 as the "flying eagle." Then in Rev 12, the woman" was given 2 wings of a great eagle" to escape to the wilderness. Again -- could be belief in Jesus prophecy that saved them.

    And all this came up in answer to the disciples question, "Where, Lord?" Where would they disappear to?

    The point of the whole thread is we ought to be "looking up [for this event] for your redemption draweth nigh!"

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  6. Ed Edwards

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    Some of Luke 17 and most of Luke 21
    parallel the Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD)
    of Matthew 24 & 25.
    Both Luke & Matthew parallel Mark 13.

    It is Luke 21 that explains why this three
    parallel passages are called the MOD:

    Luk 21:37-38 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
    Nowe in the day time hee taught in the Temple,
    and at night hee went out, and abode
    in the mount that is called the mount of Oliues.
    38 And all the people came in the morning
    to him, to heare him in the Temple.

    Jesus was teaching the Disciples privately
    on the mount of Olives in the evening;
    teaching publicly during the day to the
    people at the Temple.
     
  7. skypair

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    Ed -- I heard recently that Luke 21 was a warning to the CHRISTIANS to flee Jerusalem before the 70 AD invasion. That the reason Luke divided up the MOD was to take this view of it. What do you think?

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    Makes sense to me, Brother Skypair.
     
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    He who posts last posts BEST!
     
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    I been getting that lately, too. Under "shall surely die" and "Save yourself." Can't argue with a good point, can you?

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    You win Brother Skypair -- you posted last!!!
     

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