The sin of gluttony and obesity???

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  1. robustheologian

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    What's your thoughts on this? Should obese individuals be viewed the same as homosexuals? I'm especially interested in hearing from the "sin has no degrees" crowd.

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    I remember hearing preachers say, "Sin is sin is sin."

    The consequences of sin differ, but all sins are still sins.
     
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    There are already places that only serve low fat food. So yes.
     
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    As I have stated before, a business should be able to decide whom it decides to serve.

    Would be quite a wake up call!

    On a side note - I work in a C-Store. When I go in the evening - our donuts go on sale (daytime $1.40 each - night 3 for $2) By 3 am the boss throws any leftovers away) so I really push them - but its funny how many people say they don't need them - in essence for health reasons - AS I am ringing up their cancer sticks and/or beer. (boy, would I love to say something!)
     
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    The sin of _______________ and ______________ (fill in the blanks) should be viewed the same as the sin of ______________ (fill in the blank).
     
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    One of the "Seven Deadly Sins".
     
  7. robustheologian

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    I will say that if sin has no degrees, one would have to view the glutton in the same light as the homosexual.
     
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    Sin has no degrees as far as our eternal destination. Greed will send someone to Hell the same as homosexuality.



    However, sin has varying earthly consequences. A small lie may have almost no consequences, while gluttony's consequences are unhealthy, possibly life-threatening. The earthly consequences of homosexuality include disease, infections, and no children to repopulate.



    Just as a glutton (for food) can get around his consequences through extra workouts, or pills, or bulimia, so too can homosexuals dodge the earthly consequences with modern medicine and adoption.



    The heavenly consequences are impossible to escape, however.



    I kind of agree with what the cartoon is saying, but in a way I don't. It's possible it'd be hypocritical to serve food to a glutton, while refusing to cater to gays. But the big difference is that fat people aren't pushing for an agenda, and are not harming the image of a God-ordained institution, and are not trying to get our kids to turn away from their upbringing to accept obesity as an ok lifestyle. Quite the opposite, actually. When someone sees an obese person, they think, "I do not want to end up like that."
     
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    I see what you are saying. I will say that gluttony could lend itself to blasphemous pitfall of homosexuality in that, like homosexuals, gluttons don't see anything wrong with their sin.
     
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    Obesity is a condition not an action and it is not a sin. Guttony is never listed as a sin in scripture. It is listed a long side of a drunkard in the OT twice but it is only spoken of as having negative consequences.

    Homosexuality is listed as those actions that will keep one from the Kingdom. It is clear that scripture sees those two things in a much different light.
     
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    Absolutely not. There is no correlation between obesity and perversion. Obesity is a serious problem. Some of the triggers that cause obesity are psychological. Sometimes obesity is the result of sin (gluttony). All sin is serious, but some sins are more serious than others.
     
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    Gluttony - a lifestyle characterized by eating until one cannot eat anymore - is a sin. It is different from feasting, which is an indulgence of food in celebration and is biblically recommended from time to time.

    Unfortunately, those who want to be watchdogs for gluttony tend to focus on obese people, assuming that they are necessarily gluttons. I have actually caught a fair amount of flack from Christians about my alleged gluttony.

    Obesity has many causes. I am severely overweight because of a tumor on my pituitary gland (Cushing's Disease, if you want to look it up). I am losing the weight, but it will be a long process.

    Others really are obese because of gluttony. Still others are obese because of a combination of age, sedentary jobs (the mind works very hard, but the body has to sit behind a desk), and the content of the food that is readily available.
     
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    I try to not immediately think someone is a glutton for this reason. However, well over 3/4 of the obese people I've met (closer to about 9/10) were obese because of overeating.






    In my opinion, that's not an excuse for obesity. Overweight, yes, but obese, no. It actually falls into another sin category - laziness.



    Obesity outside of a medical condition is sin, imo. It's not taking care of the temple, and it's a bad testimony. Even with a medical condition, if something can be done, but that person doesn't do it, it's sin.



    Personally, I don't see how people can stand to be obese (outside of a legitimate medical reason, obviously). I was overweight for a while before I joined the military, and I was miserable about it. I had no athleticism, or stamina. And i was only about 35 pounds overweight. I couldn't imagine being more overweight than that.
     
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    It appears to me that, like practicing homosexuals, those who have the biggest problem with gluttony being labeled as sin are practicing gluttons.
     
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    Obesity isn't a sin per se...but gluttony is. However, like homosexuality, the result of gluttony is the degrading of one's body—obesity.
     
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    Shouldn't someone actually define gluttony on this thread? It would make it so much easier to discuss. I suspect there are several different definitions in the minds of the posters.

    Food for thought: was it gluttony when the Jews had a feast commanded by God? Is there a difference between feasting and gluttony?
     
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    That is a good idea.

    So here goes the BIBLICAL definition: Gluttony is engaging in too much food or drink—overindulgence (Pro. 23:20). A glutton is a disgrace to the Father (Pro. 28:7). Since a glutton is the same as a drunkard (Pro. 23:21), gluttony is a work of the flesh (Gal. 5:21) opposite the fruit of self-control that the Spirit gives (Gal. 5:23).

    Well by the biblical definition of gluttony, no—Jewish feasting (so long as it wasn't overindulgence) was not gluttony. However, gluttony can appear even in feasts commanded by God. That was the case in Corinth regarding the Lord's Supper (1 Cor. 11:17-22).
     
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    Thank you. It seems to me, though, that the term "habitual" ought to be in there somewhere, since the same Hebrew word (zalal) as in the two verses in Proverbs (also in 23:21) is in Deut. 21:20. In that verse a gluttonous son is to be stoned, which seems to be a quite unreasonable punishment for a one-time offense. (Granted, other sins of the son were mentioned in that verse, but I think my point still stands.)

    Well said.
     
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    I can see an the argument for habitual being in there. I will say that the idea of a punishment for a one-time offense being unreasonable is relative. For instance, I may think having to be stoned for being caught working on the Sabbath is an unreasonable punishment but at the end it is relative to me. Good reference to Deut. 21:20. Thank God for the new covenant.
     

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