The Softening of the Church on Gays!

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  1. righteousdude2

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    Hey, I know this is an hour-long interview, and I don't want folks to jump on me for giving you something that is long and tiring (like the RW OP), at times, but you can move ahead to points in the interview to hear what you'd like to hear.

    I put this on the forum to demonstrate why the church is softening its stand on gays within the church. This is sad and scary at the same time. However, one must remember that this talk show host and her station is broadcasted out of Frisco, and it is "gay central!"

    Any ways, listen to what you can tolerate, and your comments would be appreciated, and it may be something you may want to pass on to others.

    REMEMBER, this is the person who penned numerous "Jesus People" period songs, some of which are in hymnals, around the world, and she remains as famous, or noteworthy, as her songs. This notoriety is what is helping her to get a foot into the churches, and it needs to be pointed out, that the devil is using her to lift up the gay cause around the world.

    I, for one, and I had her and her group, sing at several concerts for churches I once held down, but this was before she divorced Russ and came out of the closet.

    Her songs will always be a blessing, and her present direction in life doesn't change the song and how it blesses hearts, but it should also be noted that her current life of sin doesn't mean she should not be held accountable in the present for her break from Scripture!

    ENJOY [and remember, you can use your curser to move the interview ahead, and back, to fit your time frame]:http://www.blogtalkradio.com/judy-j...a-stevens-for-those-tears-i-died-christianity

    One final thought - Marsha, her sister and Mom [who lead the church choir] attended the same church in high school. Although this was a United Church of Christ denomination, and they never preached salvation through repentance, but rather, through catechism, and joining the church which resulted in becoming a Christian! :tear: I remember the pastor calling me into the office [when I was youth leader, later on in life], and sat me down and lectured me for holding alter calls for the teens.
     
  2. jcgordon

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    Softening is putting it lightly

    You are correct the church today is turning to jello today when it comes to the stance on homosexuality and many other Biblical issues. There are many reasons, political pressure, peer pressure, apostasy, fear etc.

    This issue really stems from other more serious issues such as faith and separation. Man has elevated himself many times to be their own God and believe that we morally know better than God. Man decides today that we don't believe the things in the Bible anymore (speaking of the church, not the natural man) so we throw the things out that we don't want to believe. Our faith is diminished in these days that we will do anything just to fill more seats in the church, or not offend someone. We as humans, (Romans 3:10) elevate ourselves beyond God's truth and this is a dreadful sin (see what happened to Satan when he did the very same thing).

    With the modern church movement we often times to refuse simple Biblical principals. Rom 16:17 KJV Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    We fellowship and refuse to separate from apostasy and sinners and gradually we except these sins, which lead to a lack of faith and elevating our own opinion over God's. God was plain in His Word about the sin of Homosexuality in the Bible, we just need to understand what the Book tells us, we are to love the sinner, hate the sin.
     
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    Can anyone trace the origin and development of the expression "love the sinner, hate the sin"? I think I've seen Augustine use it when discussing the textual problem of Matt 5:22. Preachers have used it a lot. But who started it?
     
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