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The Thin Skin of Muslims

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Feb 2, 2006.

  1. Johnv

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    Shame me all you like. I've made a scriptural case for it, citing Paul himself. You can say you disagree with me, and I can respect that, but to accuse of blasphemy is over the top, even for a few you you folks.
     
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    From the video


    Should the growing number of Muslim immigrants, radicals in particular adapt to the laws and traditions of the land or should the countries accommodate their new citizens?

    Muslum cleric
    Fox News
     
  3. Johnv

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    I think that's obvious. Immigrants should, where necesary, adapt to the laws and customs of the land they come to. By doing so, they can then be in a position to contribute the beneficial aspects of their individuality to the land to which they came.
     
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    Johnv, Paul's words were to people who worshipped Christ, were they not ? How do you apply that to Islam ?
     
  5. Enoch

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    JohnV watch the video. That is where the question is asked.
     
  6. Johnv

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    No, Paul's words were to people who worshipped their own deity/deities faithfully, but worshipped falsely. He did nto accuse them of worshipping false gods. He in fact praised them for their faithfulness, but pointed out their ignorance. So it is with anyone, Muslims, Jews, or any monotheists (though I suppose that it can apply to polytheists as well, if they can accept the concept of one almighty deity). They worship God, and may even do so faithfully, but they do so falsely.
     
  7. Johnv

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    Doesn't matter what anyone on the video says. If they don't agree with what I posted, I think they're wrong. I don't care if it's a Muslim claric or a Baptist preacher.
     
  8. Enoch

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    Ignorance is bliss. ;)
     
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    To say they worship the same God, then you have to erase this verse from the bible....

    "I and my father are one....."

    I believe that verse, do you ?
     
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    And your assumption that Paul praised people for faithfully worshipping falsly is one of the strangest descriptions of scripture I've ever heard.
     
  11. Johnv

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    Not true. BY saying, as I have, that they worship falsely, that verse remains intact.

    Would you say that Jews worship a false God? By that standard, Jews do. If you say yes, at least I can respect you for being consistent. I'd disagree with you, but I'd respect your opinion.
    Paul even said that they were a faithful people. So if you think Paul was strange, that's fine.
     
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    No john, they deny Christ, and ipso facto, they deny his father. You are completely wrong on this.

    Yes, Jews who deny Christ worship a false God.
     
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    Paul praised their faithfullness in Christ, but corrected their methods. I don't have access to a bible right now, but as soon as I get home.....
     
  14. Johnv

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    Like I said, I disagree with you, but I'd respect your opinion and recognize your consistency.
    The Athenians didn't know Christ, at least not in truth. They know their own false beliefs only While paul did not praise their beliefs, he praised their faithfulness (though in false ignorance), and then proceeded to correct them. Paul was coming from a standpoint that they worshipped God, but worshipped him falsely. It was from there that he corrected them.
     
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    Like I said, I don't have a bible right now, but I will be very suprised to see Paul praising ANYONE who denied Christ. In fact, I know he never did. Didn't happen. You must be misunderstanding sumpthin.
     
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    No, Paul's words were to people who worshipped their own deity/deities faithfully, but worshipped falsely. He did nto accuse them of worshipping false gods. He in fact praised them for their faithfulness, but pointed out their ignorance. </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry.

    I don't get your interpretation out of that scripture at all.

    There is room to disagree about the meaning of some scripture, but I agree with the others.

    Muslims worship a false and murderous god.
     
  17. Johnv

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    Acts 17:22-24

    Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now, what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you.

    Note that Paul doesn't condemn the Athenians. He commends them for being religious. He then procees to explain to them that which they worship. He never tells them that they worship a false god, and never chastises them for their worship. But he obvous does go on to correct them.
     
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    It is your interpretation that what he said meant that they were worshiping God falsely that is the problem. There is nothing there to indicate that as far as I can see.

    They were also worshiping many false gods. The unknown god altar is, to me more of an attempt by the Athenians to cover all the bases in case they missed a god. I do not construe it to be meaning the one true God at all.

    Paul was adept at getting his audiences on his side using flattery or other means in order to deliver his message. I believe he used this illustration because he was going to introduce them to a god they had no knowledge of and by referring to their altar, he would put them in more of a comfort zone.

    That's my take on it, anyhow. [​IMG]
     
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    Well, at least we can agree to disagree. Fair 'nuff.

    Just to make it clear, I'm not defending Islam, or any other fath that denies Christ. I'm sure you concur.
     
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    And I see no words of praise, for them. (Thanx for posting the verses)
     
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