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The Thin Skin of Muslims

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Feb 2, 2006.

  1. Johnv

    Johnv New Member

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    Perhaps praise was a strong word. But, having seen the text, I think you understand were I'm coming from a bit better, even if we don't agree.

    Gents, I must run. I've got dinner plans with friends tonight, and interesting, two of them are Muslims. [​IMG]
     
  2. Dragoon68

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    As Christians we have no choice but to proclaim God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit for what He is - the one and only true God - and thereby we must deny all other gods proclaimed by any false religion.

    As Christians we have no choice but to acknowledge the fallen state of all mankind and admit that we, even in our regenerated state, do not truly seek after or love God and are no more worthy of His grace than any other of our kind despite what we profess.

    We should rightly proclaim Islam for what it is - a false religion - and disapprove of the conduct of its followers - sinful conduct that worships a false god - and even more so of its radical and violent followers whose sinful conduct includes not even a little civil virtue but, instead, uses their god's name to justify their evil acts.

    We also should remember that, even among those who's conduct we despise, God may have chosen some for whatever purposes please Him including their salvation. We should be careful not to condemn ourselves by taking on the supposed power of condemning them to Hell as individuals. We should remember that we deserve nothing of our own merit save eternity in Hell.

    We can acknowledge the civil virtues of persons who believe in other gods - false gods - simply because by such conduct they make this life more bearable for mankind. We can work with them in the common goal of good order and welfare on this earth of God's creation and God's children - both saved and lost - recognizing to God alone belongs the ultimate decision and act of justice or mercy. We can be respectful to the person and property of others while seeking to witness for the Lord - not for ourselves - by example of our thoughts, words, and deeds to His honor and glory.

    We can not, however, compromise our beliefs to give validity to any false gods nor can we raise them up to an equal status with the one and only true God of eternity. God shares His throne with no one and nothing!
     
  3. OldRegular

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    Again you are proof texting. Quote the entire passage then defend your false interpretation. Islam is a false religion and the adherents worship a false god. Comparing the god of Islam with the Triune Godhead of the Christian faith is blasphemous.
     
  4. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    The president thinks we do.
     
  5. Bunyon

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    Oldregular has a point. If we believe that Jesus is God and man, we believe in a triune God. Muslims deny Jesus's divinity and the holy spirit also. How can it be said they worship the same God? They consider our version of God to be polytheism.
     
  6. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    The president thinks we do. </font>[/QUOTE]The President is wrong. Respectfully, of course. ;)
     
  7. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    More on the thin skin of muslims:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702104,00.html

    Cartoon controversy spreads throughout Muslim world


    Ewen MacAskill, Sandra Laville and Luke Harding in Berlin
    Saturday February 4, 2006
    The Guardian


    Governments across Europe, the Middle East and Asia were reluctantly sucked into the Danish cartoon row yesterday as hundreds of thousands of Muslims took to the streets to protest.

    The dispute spread to London for the first time. More than 500 people, led by the extremist group al-Ghuraba, formerly al-Mujahiroun, marched to the Danish embassy in Knightsbridge carrying banners calling on Muslims to "massacre" those who insult Islam and chanting: "Britain, you will pay, 7/7 on its way."

    Pakistan and Turkey condemned publication...
     
  8. Dragoon68

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    Some folks are ready for war over cartoons!
     
  9. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    UPDATE

    http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/04/syria.cartoon.ap/

    Cartoon row: Danish embassy ablaze

    Saturday, February 4, 2006 Posted: 1612 GMT (0012 HKT)

    Thousands of angry Syrian demonstrators storm the Danish Embassy in Damascus Saturday.

    DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) -- Hundreds of Syrian demonstrators stormed the Danish Embassy in Damascus Saturday and set fire to the building, witnesses said.

    The demonstrators were protesting offensive caricatures of Islam's Prophet Mohammed that were first published in a Danish newspaper several months ago.

    Witnesses said the demonstrators set fire to the entire building, which also houses the embassies of Chile and Sweden.
     
  10. KenH

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    Violence over cartoons? This is silly, uncalled for, and unjustified. Those offended need to learn to do what we do here in America in similar situations - write a letter to the editor.
     
  11. Dragoon68

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    Agreed! I think they're always looking for an excuse and most any will serve the purpose. I still predict that many will excuse their behavior and concede their anger is justified.
     
  12. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    UPDATE:

    http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-02-06T133952Z_01_L06357511_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS.xml&rpc=22

    New protests erupt in cartoon row
    Mon Feb 6, 2006 8:40 AM ET


    By Kerstin Gehmlich
    PARIS (Reuters) - Fresh protests erupted across Asia and the Middle East over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad on Monday, despite calls by world leaders for calm after Danish diplomatic missions were set ablaze in Lebanon and Syria.

    U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan expressed alarm and urged restraint but oil giant Iran, which is reviewing trade ties with countries that published the cartoons, vowed to respond to "an anti-Islamic and Islamophobic current".

    In Tehran, about 200 people pelted the embassy of EU president Austria with fire bombs over the cartoons and Iran's nuclear confrontation with the West. The mission did not catch fire and police prevented people from storming it.

    Denmark has been the focus of Muslim rage as the images, one showing the Prophet Mohammad with a turban resembling a bomb, first appeared in a Danish daily and the furor has developed into a clash between press freedom and religious respect.

    SNIP

    Furious Muslims once again took to the streets. One protester was killed in Afghanistan in clashes with police. Another person died at the weekend when flames forced him to jump from the burning Danish consulate in Beirut.

    SNIP

    Islamist group al Muhajiroon which is banned in Britain, called for the execution of those involved with the cartoons.

    "In Islam, God said, and the messenger Mohammad said, whoever insults a prophet, he must be punished and executed," he told BBC radio by telephone.

    SNIP

    But Iran responded angrily, saying the cartoons "launched an anti-Islamic and Islamophobic current which will be answered."

    "It was an ugly measure. The Islamic Republic of Iran is prepared to sacrifice its life for its belief in Islam and the honor of the holy Prophet," Iran's government spokesman Gholamhossein Elham told a news conference on Monday
     
  13. Debby in Philly

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    Bill Bennett made the comment on his program this morning that these "protesters" are threatening to kill people and cut their limbs off because the cartoons categorized them as being people who kill people and cut their limbs off!

    The truth hurts!?

    However, images of our Lord that are disrespectful and downright disgusting are hailed as free speech. You don't see Christians threatening to kill people over it. The whole thing speaks to the mindset of the people doing the protesting.
     
  14. poncho

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    Burning Down Danish Embassies: More Straussian Psychological Warfare?
    Sunday February 05th 2006, 6:48 pm

    Amidst the corporate media feeding frenzy over the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September and subsequently reprinted in European media and New Zealand in the past week, one important element has apparently slipped under the wire—the complicity of Danish imams who “circulated the images to brethren in Muslim countries,” according to Charles Moore, writing for the UK Telegraph. “When they did so, they included in their package three other, much more offensive cartoons which had not appeared in Jyllands-Posten but were lumped together so that many thought they had.”

    Moore also finds it suspicious that there was no shortage of Danish flags to burn. “I raise the question because, as soon as the row about the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in Jyllands-Posten broke, angry Muslims popped up in Gaza City, and many other places, well supplied with Danish flags ready to burn…. Why were those Danish flags to hand? Who built up the stockpile so that they could be quickly dragged out right across the Muslim world and burnt where television cameras would come and look? The more you study this story of ’spontaneous’ Muslim rage, the odder it seems.” Moore also mentions Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the International Association of Muslim Scholars, who has called for an “international day of anger” in response to the cartoons.

    For Straussian neocons and their fellow “clash of civilization” (war against Islam) travelers, al-Qaradawi is the perfect radical Muslim for their propaganda purposes. He supports Palestinian suicide bombing and opposes negotiating with Israel. According to the neocon and Jabotinsky Likudite organization MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute), al-Qaradawi issued a fatwa calling for the murder of all Americans in Iraq, both civilian and military (as it turns out, al-Qaradawi never issued the fatwa and Straussian neocon lies are legendary). It is also said the imam supports the execution of gay men, although this point is of less importance to the Straussians who run foreign policy in the United States.


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    the complicity of Danish imams who “circulated the images to brethren in Muslim countries

    More than likely Syrian, too.
     
  16. Daisy

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    No getting around the irony of that one.
    Actually, you do, but these days it is irate individuals and not mobs.

    I suspect there is something else going on to incite this level of violence. I find it hard to believe that it is simply spontaneous over something relatively trivial - or is blasphemy not trivial in some cultures?
     
  17. rbell

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    Righto, KenH, but I'm not sure they can write a letter to the editor.

    I declare, after looking at Arabic writing...I don't think it's anything but a bunch of scribbling anyway. :D
     
  18. Johnv

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    Rbell, let's not make insults, silly. In all seriousness, the written Arabic language is quite an artform. I don't know it myself, but my sis-in-law does.

    Besides, it can't be as scribbling as you say. They've got pretty cool numbers [​IMG]
     
  19. rbell

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    agreed on the numbers
     
  20. Enoch

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    Daisy

    It just confirms what is already known.


    I definitely do not want to sidetrack this thread, so perhaps you could start a new thread on facts regarding your comment. I clearly must have missed that one in the news.
     
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