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The torture tape fingering Bush as a war criminal

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Dec 26, 2007.

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  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    FULL ARTICLE....

    Sometimes...it's just ridiculous isn't it?

    Two questions;

    Who are we supposed to believe and qui bono?
     
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  2. Ivon Denosovich

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    I'll be the first to say that I'm not a Bush fan (though I voted for him twice.) But this is kinda far fetched.

    But interesting to think about!

    But kinda far fetched...

    But interesting to think about!

    But kinda far fetched...

    Anywho, thanks for another interesting conversation, poncho. IF one day we wake up to global fascism via the two party system I'll kick myself for not having listened to you, assuming that is, I'm not already being beaten by statists. :)
     
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    If you want to go just a little bit further out, here's my theory. I don't think the CIA cover-up is about torture at all. I believe they destroyed the tapes to cover-up what the prisoners said under torture about 9/11.
     
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    Sounds plausible. Probably true.

    ETA: But then again, why make the tapes to begin with?
     
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    Innuendo notwithstanding,

    The torture tape fingering Bush as a war criminal...

    doesn't exist and never has.
     
    #5 carpro, Dec 26, 2007
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    Granted, you're probably right. But I maintain the same reservation with most anti-conspiracists that I do with most conspiracists themselves. Why the dogmatism? It's not as if there's a logical difference between poncho's blind faith and that of your own.
     
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  7. poncho

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    Blind faith? Isn't that like when you take the "authorities" at their word and do as yer told while blasting away endlessly at others who don't, or in the case of most Americans today intimidated into doing as they're told and conditioned into repeating the "party" talking points and smear tactics into the ground...to prove they're right?

    Blind faith...me? Not by a long shot. :type:
     
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    What's so farfetched? Seriously. Can ya spell it out in a little more detail?
     
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    poncho, I didn't mean to imply your faith was unintelligent in the least. I simply meant that we all put faith in something and carpro's chosing a different source to believe isn't more logical than yours, just different.

    And your source may be right for all I know!
     
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  10. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    The answer is right under your fingertips...:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member
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    It's not a matter of faith.

    It's a matter of evidence. There is none.
     
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  12. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    But what are the odds?

    The evidence if any was probably destroyed (we'll see). Destruction of evidence more times than not means someone was guilty and afraid of being caught not that they were innocent and just "cleaning up" the office..
     
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    The odds are excellent that, if there is any evidence that the President committed a crime, it will eventually come to light.

    Until it does, you'll have to be satisfied with innuendo and dissatisfied with those that recognize it for what it is.
     
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    Look, carpro, there's plenty of stuff out there that people such as poncho DO consider evidence. Stop bickering semantics. If you don't want to believe it, fine. But get over yourself-- you're no more logical than he is. :rolleyes:
     
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    Ok, I'll bite. What, precisely, Mr. Logical, are the odds? A numerical ratio please.
     
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    You said it.
     
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    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Just remember...

    CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE - Circumstantial evidence is best explained by saying what it is not - it is not direct evidence from a witness who saw or heard something. Circumstantial evidence is a fact that can be used to infer another fact.

    Indirect evidence that implies something occurred but doesn't directly prove it; proof of one or more facts from which one can find another fact; proof of a chain of facts and circumstances indicating that the person is either guilty or not guilty.

    E.g., If a man accused of embezzling money from his company had made several big-ticket purchases in cash around the time of the alleged embezzlement, that would be circumstantial evidence that he had stolen the money. The law makes no distinction between the weight given to either direct or circumstantial evidence.

    SOURCE

    You're going to have to be dissatified with people who keep putting all the circumstantial evidence this administration has given us together and coming to a different conclusion than all the star spangled bannered "patriots" giving government a pass whenever their party is questioned.
     
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    Not at all.

    The hate pool for the Bush Administration is quite large. It's a pity that all they have to go on after 7 years is "circumstantial" evidence. 7 Years. What are the odds?;)

    Makes Bush look like a genius. After being charactized by his political enemies as a Texas rube of substandard intelligence.:laugh:
     
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    One would have to believe Bush actually is the decider to write something like this. :laugh:

    The only thing he's decided was to listen to the people his own father called the "crazies" and kept at arms length. You know the "world domination by military intimidation and force people". :laugh:

    It was a crazy idea then and it's a crazy idea now. Blowback sandwich anyone?
     
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