The Translators intent??

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  1. Pastor_Bob

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    Is this what the Translators, which are oft quoted here as approving of later versions, had in mind when they said, "Indeed, without translation into the vulgar tongue the unlearned are but like children at Jacob's well without a bucket or some thing to draw with..?"

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    I must be missing something here. That Christian magazines are automatically vulgar? That Christian magazines geared towards young people automatically put them in danger of going off the straight and narrow? What's your point?
     
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    Pastor Bob, please don't think that I misunderstand your point here. I realize that some folks are offended by unexpected Bible configurations. But in fact, formats of the scriptures such as these may cause some folks to think: What exactly constitutes a 'Bible'?

    Depends upon how groups and individuals define 'Bible'. I can tell you that people view the concept in a multitude of ways. Is it wrong to call the Hebrew holy scriptures (Tanakh) a 'Bible'? Do the Greek Orthodox not have the 'Bible'? When the early Christians only had the writings of Paul, did they have a 'Bible'? When the Syrian Church didn't have 2 Peter, 2 & 3 John, and Revelation in their scriptures (Peshitta), did they not have a 'Bible'?

    What makes a book a 'Bible'? Is it the black leather cover? Is it the concordance and maps located in the back? Can a 'genuine' Bible have pictures in it? What are the traits of a true 'Bible'? Just as importantly, what are the characteristics of a false 'Bible'?
     
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    Franklin, great observatoins, followed by great questions.

    These marketing approaches are not new to the Bible. We just need to go back before these MVs and we'll see. :thumbs:
     
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    God's Word says 'Wherefore, come out from amongst them and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you, saith the Lord.'

    Revolve endeavors to bring the world into the Bible with their magazine... completely ignoring the command to 'come out from amongst them.'

    What are the readers of this magazine gleaning? They cannot have their minds fully on the Word, when just across the page their eyes catch sight of the world.

    Eutychus sat in a window listening to the preaching, but looking at the world. Eutychus fell headlong out that window in which he felt he was secure and broke his neck.

    This is what is sure to happen to those who rely on Revolve to be their method of learning of God. The world will entice and lure them for a fall.
     
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    You offer nothing in your post to support your claim other than conjecture and personal opinion.
     
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    First, you do not have an understanding of the term "vulgar" as it is used by the KJV Translators. Second, this is not a "Christian magazine." These are both complete New Testaments and marketed as "bibles."
     
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    To continually keep the Word of God "on the bottom shelf" has become, in many ways, a ridiculous endeavor. How far down must we go to make sure all men understand the Bible? Is it not more beneficial to educate the people to the higher standards of the Bible? Are we really helping these young people by dumbing down the Bible into their street language? Are we sending the right message by bundling God's Word in a worldly package?
     
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    Very poor illustration. Talk about misuse of the Bible. Eutychus simply fell asleep. Paul had been preaching and teaching for a long long time. The scripture doesn't condemn Eutychus for this. It doesn't say he was "looking at the world." You are adding to the scripture your own personal slant.
     
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    Whaley, the author of Revolve, calls it a Biblezine. She asked girls what they read if not the Bible. Their answer was "magazines". Magazines such as Vogue, YM, Seventeen, Cosmopolotin (all worldly magazines) were what teens read, so Whaley used the types of articles that grabbed attention in these magazines to publish her Revolve Biblezine.

    So Whaley came up with an idea to bring the world into the Word by making the Word in magazine format.

    Sadly, she is deceiving many and being deceived her own self into believing that God is pleased with such junk as she is selling under the name of "Bible."
     
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    It's good to know that you have acknowledged the NCV, a MV, as the Word of God. :thumbs:
     
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    :laugh: He gave you the word of God and that is all you can say?:laugh:
     
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    Simply quoting a Scripture does not a good argument make. I could post, "Jesus Wept" as a response to this thread...but that doesn't mean that I've offered a proper context, relevant arguments, or correct interpretation.
     
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    he made a great application using that illustration of precisely what is going on in "today's church".

    The world demands to be let in the church, then they demand their ways be accepted and eventually the church is no longer a sanctuary, but a place to meet and have "good time".

    Having one's head in the sand for ANY LENGTH OF TIME IS CERTAIN TO FAIL TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON WHILE IT'S IN THE SAND.

    (DIDN'T MEAN TO "YELL" JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE RE-TYPING AFTER ACCIDNETALLY HITTING TH CAPS LOCK.):praying:
     
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    Actually if you did quote Luke 11:35 and applied it to this topic, you'd be amazed how accurate you would be!

    What is really amazing is how far Christians have gone to fail to see what worldliness is!:praying:
     
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    Clever? Yes. Accurate? No. See...there's this thing called context....

    Actually, here's the rub for me: I'm not going to make a great deal of judgements based upon a 20kB picture on my computer screen regarding the contents of a magazine I'm not looking at.
     
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    Follow this linkVulgar for your dissemination.
     
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    I did notice the KJV translators did not translate any word in the text as "vulgar".

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    Personally, I kinda' like paraphrases that have been around awhile and pass the test of time -

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    ;)

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    Biblezine

    So what’s the charge?
    This doesn't concern translation, it's merely a different format!

    Is the format too different for you???
    (It would be for me! ...but I won't condemn it either)

    Would you consider a font change from ther original KJV’s Gothic script to a Roman font to be a modern translation compromise?

    Do you think these words by the translators of the KJV might be bent just a bit to include formating differences?
    Can you imagine the translators of the KJV complaining that a particular bibles format wouldn’t be profitable to the saving of souls?

    Rob
     
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