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The True Patriot

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Apr 6, 2008.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    A 7 minute video on a progressive view of patriotism.

    www.truepat.org/video.php


    April 7
    Michael Medved Live
    Eric will be a guest on Michael Medved's live radio show. Medved is a nationally syndicated political talk show host well known for his dramatic transition from "punk liberal activist" to "lovable conservative curmudgeon." This is guaranteed to be a lively and fascinating conversation. Find a station to tune in.
     
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    Progressives cannot be true Patriots.
     
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  3. KenH

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    Your statement is as nonsensical as if I stated that "Conservatives cannot be true patriots".

    The only difference is that my statement would at least be closer to the truth than yours. [​IMG]
     
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    Don't you know, Ken? Only conservatives have died in the service to this nation. The flag belongs to conservatives only. Why, Betsy Ross herself was a conservative. Those of us who believe in social equality are just communist-lite...and the lite is questionable. Our only goal is to undermine the fabric of liberty in this nation, of conservatives, by conservatives, and for conservatives. Nothing good has come from progressives.

    Oh wait...that is if you don't value things like child labor laws, the weekend and 40-hour work week, medicare for our elderly, school lunch programs, rural electrification, and other things. Those horrible progressives!

    Seriously, such blanket statements only highlight the ignorance of those that make them. Truly, unbelievable.
     
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  5. KenH

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    Yeah, I know. Conservatives ignore that the man that some of them currently hate the most - Pastor Wright - served in the Marines and the Navy for six years. [​IMG]


    That's more than can be said for folks such as Vice President Cheney and Rush Limbaugh during the Vietnam War era.

    Conservatives ignore that Senator Obama's grandparents did their parts to help this nation and our allies defeat the Axis Powers.
     
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    Do you just make these things up?
     
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  8. Bro. Curtis

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    Both my grandfathers fought in WWI. Can I be president ?

    Didn't Benedict Arnold join the service abd face combat ? The Walker family ?
     
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  9. KenH

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    The point is that people of all political stripes can be patriotic, just as people of all political stripes can be Christians. And people of all political stripes can be unpatriotic, just as people of all political stripes can be unbelievers.

    The ideas that only conservatives can be patriotic or that only conservatives can be Christians are nonsensical.
     
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    A patriot is anyone who's risked something to keep this nation free. Those who want to change it to a socialist state cannot be considered patriots,to me.
     
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    Seeing as how there is less freedom in a socialist/comminist (of which there is no difference) world. When you fight for less freedom as progressives do then patriotism is out the door.
     
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    Why can they not be patriots?
     
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    If one wanted to a better case could be made in that regard about the Bush administration and the current conservative movement in general.
     
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    The President and many of those in congress who make failed attempts to run under the banner of conservatism are not examples of freedom and patriotism. You will not find an apologist of this admin with me.
     
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    Regardless of if this statement is partisan myopia or ignorance, it is just dead wrong.
     
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    Prove it.:tonofbricks:
     
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    Why not?

    Taking up arms against one's sovereign wouldn't likely be thought of as a conservative movement in 1776...exactly.

    Thanks for the vid Ken, I thought it made a couple good points. I'm all for educating people on our founding principles and all and I wouldn't mind reading the book before I judge it.

    One thing that has me wondering though...is it possible for a group of collectivists to fully grasp the idea of individualism much less adopt it? And that goes for all those calling themselves conservatives out there as well most of you are programed to think in collectivist terms without thinking about it now too. So this isn't just about liberals vs. consevratives or demopublicans and rebuplicrats.

    Our first patriots were rabid individualists so I would assume that to be a true patriot one must also be a true individualist. Do collectivists really have what it takes to be true patriots?
     
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    Because you cannot be a patriot and a traitor at the same time to one nation.
     
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    So you feel that someone just because a person is a socialist that he/she is a traitor? As your brother in Christ, I feel sorry for you. Very sorry. :tear:
     
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    There is a lot of leeway between "patriot" and "traitor." I would suggest that there are many liberals or progressives who are true patriots and not traitors at all.
     
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