The Truth about the Lord's Day

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  1. BobRyan

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    In this thread we maximize the common ground no matter if you consider Saturday or Sunday to be the Lord's day.

    First a 7 minute video for reference.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvdhuVUFN6g

    Now notice that in the list below there are groups who consider Sunday as the Lord's Day today and also groups who select Saturday.

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    I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

    The Baptist Confession of Faith,
    the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
    D.L. Moody,
    R.C Sproul,
    Matthew Henry,
    Thomas Watson
    Eastern Orthodox Catechism
    The Catholic Catechism. [​IMG]

    And of course 7th day groups

    Seventh-day Baptists
    Seventh-day Adventists
    (and 100's of others) [​IMG]

    ========================== end of list

    But all the groups listed admit that prior to the Cross Saturday was the Lord's Day and both groups listed apply the term to the 4th Commandment.

    Were you aware of that point of common ground?

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Youtube videos are not our source of authority; the Bible is.
    Neither are various denominations a source of authority; the Bible is.

    There is only one reference where the phrase "the Lord's Day" is used in the entire Word of God, and that is in Revelation 1:10

    Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, like a trumpet

    It is generally accepted that that day is Sunday, or the first day of the week.
     
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    Five very simple Questions

    1) Where in the NT, does it require us to observe the Sabbath on Saturday

    2) Does the NT require us to obey ALL the OT laws pertaining to the Sabbath?

    3) Do you obey ALL the OT laws pertaining to the Sabbath

    4) Do you drive your car on the Sabbath

    5) Do you maintain your travel to less than 8,000 cubits on the Sabbath

    (Hint - if you answer NO to 3, 4, or 5 - you should write no more on this subject - that you have brought up scores of times.)

    How Far Was A "Sabbath Days Journey?"

    Driving on Shabbat in Jewish law

     
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    There is no requirement for "Sabbath keeping" among Christians. It is a matter that needs to be practiced by each man and woman according to the conviction they feel from the Holy Spirit. The practice of keeping the Sabbath or worshiping on Sunday is not critical to our salvation, and therefore is a matter of personal freedom in Christ.
    Colossians 3, NASB
    16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -
    17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
    Most Christians in the early church -- the first five to fifteen years -- were Jewish. But then Gentiles received the word and began to believe in Christ Jesus as Savior and Lord. That presented the believing Jews a dilemma: Should the Mosaic Law continue to apply as a requirement to be "kept" as the Jewish fathers had taught? The apostles discussed the issue, with Paul present in Jerusalem to bring the question to the council from the Gentile believers to whom he and others minister. This was the Jerusalem council described in Acts 15. The decision was voiced by James the Elder in that chapter.
    Acts 15
    19 "Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,
    20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood."
    Do not bind a brother or sister in bondage to either the Law or sin. Freedom in Christ to believe in His sacrifice and resurrection to our benefit, and to love God and love others is the sole requirement for living a righteous life.
     
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    The point in the OP is that not only do pro-Saturday sources admit to this basic Bible detail - but so also do pro-sunday sources such as the "Baptist Confession of Faith".

    1. The Lord's Day is a reference to the 4th Commandment.
    2. The Lord's Day was Saturday prior to the Cross.

    Now "obviously" I am one who accepts the Bible detail that the Law of God cannot be edited and therefore the Lord's Day is unchanged pre-cross and post-cross... but the point of the OP was to emphasize the two basic points of common ground between the pro-sunday groups listed and the pro-Saturday sources.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    No thanks. I am not ecumenical in nature. There is no common ground.
    There is right and wrong. I stand on that which right, no matter what others may do.
     
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    Bob Ryan, you --- like everybody else on here at BB --- in this matter busy yourself with trivial irrelevancies.

    It has NEVER been a matter of the Law, which earthly day is the Christian Day-of-Worship-Rest-of-the-Lord Jesus Christ. That issue has been WON AND LOST by Sabbatharians since the time of Justin Martyr.

    While the Seventh Dayers rubbed there hands gleefully in self-satisfaction that THEY have 'won' the debate on the Law for the Sabbath --- just like you have been doing all these years here on BB --- the Sundayers laughed at you in their sleeves --- all these years.

    Because the Sundayers knew (and you Sabbatharians could never see) that WHO HAS THE RESURRECTION has the upperhand and the EXCLUSIVE basis and authority for the Day of Worship of Christians.

    The Sabbatharians through all the ages have haughtily SCORNED AT JESUS’ RESURRECTION AS THE SOLE REASON FOR BEING FOR THE CHRISTIAN DAY OF CORPORATE WORSHIP.

    You can multiply your appeals to the Sundayers’ Law-arguments ad infitum it does your case only the more harm.

    Unfortunately it also harms Truth’s case for the Sabbath : which is Christ’s RESURRECTION … for which harm the SABBATHARIANS will have to give ACCOUNT to God!

     
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    What's the big deal...every day of the week is the Lords day.
     
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    So Tell me BOB - why don't you want to answer my questions?
     
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    1. There are no cars in the OT.
    2. issue for Sabbath is rest - try walking 5 miles and calling that rest.


    Theese little nits are distractions from the OP which pertains to the agreement on some of the obvious points about the Lord's day referring to the 4th commandment as God gave it prior to the cross.

    Apparently both the pro-Sunday and the pro-Saturday sources listed below agree to this basic Bible fact.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Everyone please understand that where DHK stands is always right.
    And please let there be no more discussion about it.
    Why? Because its a waste of time. Thank you.
     
  12. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Scripture?
     
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    You are unfair and rude. DHK has the right to his own understanding. Your sarcasm is dead-on right about yourself.

    I would not like to have you in DHK's position on BB, thank God.


     
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    Wow, I didnt know that! But thats not what I asked. Orthodox Jews do not believe you should drive a car on the Sabbath. Therefore are you breaking the law by driving?

    Could be thats why there was a limit - Do you exceede the OT limit?

    Negative! These are OT laws - Do you abide by them?

    Now , how about the other questions?
     
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    DHK has the right to his own understanding that he is always right.
    Yes I agree so what's your problem?
     
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    <<<1. The Lord's Day is a reference to the 4th Commandment.>>>

    The Lord's Day refers to the Day of Jesus' Resurrection-TRIUMPH and LORDSHIP GAINED. Which was what the Fourth Commandment was eschatological Prophecy and Promise unto and about; but as it remained in legality, it NO LONGER is. Or the unbelieving Jews and 'Christians' non other than the legalists of today keep the Sabbath to the well pleasing of God. Which they DO NOT!

    <<<2. The Lord's Day was Saturday prior to the Cross.>>>

    "The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" in fact. 'Saturday' is the Sunday resurrectionists' day of debauchery.

    "The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" was, and was to be, “The Lord's Day” prior to the Cross and much more after and BECAUSE of <<the Cross>> and RESURRECTION of Christ, was the REST OF GOD “ON THE SABBATH” in Christ, through Him and unto Him in the Glory of His Holiness.

     
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    On this issue I am right, and will not back down.
    But you have to read the post I answered to, Bob's post. He listed a number of denominations who all have in common worshiping of the Lord's Day whether it be Sunday or Saturday. Then he listed them: all kinds of them.
    I am not ecumenical. I do not stand hand in hand with the SDA's
    How can two walk together unless they be agreed? Amos said.
    They can't.
    I have nothing in common with the SDA.
    On that point I am right. I am not ecumenical and never will be.
     
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    "The truth about the Lord's Day."
    The truth is: Stay home on the Sabbath.
    Can anyone show any command, OT or NT, where one is to worship on the Sabbath.
     
  19. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Shallow, meaningless Saturdarian orthodoxy.

    ps

    I should have said, meaningless Saturdarian LEGALISM.
     
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    So you don't believe what they believe ...
    that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ came to earth to save mankind by dying for their sins, and many etcs.
    Oh well, just another one in big trouble.
     

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