The Truth vs. The Lie

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  1. th1bill

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    The Truth vs. The Lie

    There is a lie being told today that has crept into the Church, almost, unnoticed. We have folks that call themselves by a number of tags that can easily be summarized with Christian Evolutionist. I am going to step out on a limb that many will take a saw to immediately and tell you that there is no such creature as a Christian Evolutionist and please do not think that I am building a straw man to kill. I went to bed almost two hours ago after having stopped the meditation, study and prayer for my Sunday lesson in Mark and the Spirit of the LORD began to speak to me and to trouble my spirit about this matter and here I am at nearly One a.m. beginning a message from God about Junk Science.

    I'm not going to beat the Scientific Community to death with my 25 pound Liberty Study Bible but will instead speak just common sense truth. First of all, for science to have any bearing on the matters of God's realm, it must be fact. Theory, by it's very nature is never fact and that one truth cancels all the “truths” of Evolution right there, it is know as Darwin's Theory of Evolution. The first central truth, presented by Darwin, for his theory to be true is that the single cell is an uncomplicated organism. Every cell in your body carries you complete DNA Code. (Rabbit trail) It is oft taught by Evolutionists that there is living proof in the Chimpanzee because there is only about a three per cent difference between the Chimp and the Human. That's true, the problem is that this three per cent is about three million differences in our DNA Structure.

    Now, for man to have evolved the must, of necessity, be a fore runner of the species. This has long been stated to be the Neanderthal creature but DNA Science has proven that to be a lie. There is no demonstrable fore runner of man.

    But let's go deeper than that, for evolution to be so important, it just seems reasonable that the Universe originated somewhere at some time. In schools in your neighborhood, right now, The Big Bang is being taught. Since science is demonstrable fact, all I need to be shot down on this one is the creation, by man, of one tiny universe of say, no more than one sun, two planets and a moon around one of them.

    You see, to mix theory with the truth of the scriptures is to generate a lie with no substance.
     
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    I have never understood how someone who as an ounce of common sense can believe in evolution or a creation without a Creator. It is easier to understand someone not having the faith to accept the Gospel. Believing in a Creator takes common sense, not faith. The Gospel takes faith, from the Lord.

    How can anyone look at the stars (Romans 1), the order of life, and not believe in a Creator. The problem with evolutionists is that they have no point of origin. They can explain the start of the universe with a "big bang" but fail to explain what caused the "big bang." They say life started with a simple, single cell, but fail to define the origin of the single cell.

    These people putting forth these theories are suppose to be some of the most educated humans on earth, and basically, they are idiots. I have often wondered what the Lord things when He sees one of His created beings explaining how His creation started minus His help.

    Anyone with any discernment about them at all can see a Creator. It takes no faith, just observation. If there are green Martians with pink stripes, then the Lord created them. Why is so hard for these geniuses to see that? Any bafoon who never opened a Bible could figure this out. We have all the abilities within us to figure that out given to us by God.

    Once we open the Bible, the Lord reveals much more to us, such as His Son, and the Gospel. Once one reads the first few chapters of Genesis, one realizes that what he already figured out about a Creator is indeed true.

    If I could go back and watch any event in history, my choice would be to watch the Lord speak the Universe into existence. Well, I might put the Ressurection above that, but hopefully, I would have two choices.
     
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    It hasn't crept in unnoticed. You're about 100 years behind the times.
     
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    Very true. Half the truth is still a whole lie.
     
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    I believe in the Creation--period! NO evolution, not even theistic evolution. Theistic evolution says that, yes, God started the process, but He left it to evolve on it's own. That is as much a lie of the devil as evolution that leaves God out entirely.

    God spoke everything, including the earth, sun, moon, stars, the first man and woman, full grown animals, and everything else, into existence. Being omnipotent, He needed no help from evolution to accomplish that task, which fo Him was simple. NOTHING is impossible for God. I know some smart aleck is going to want to say that it's impossible for Him to sin--so I'll say it first. :laugh:
     
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    Here are two others on the lists of impossibles I have heard over the years.
    1. Create a rock so heavy He cannot lift it.
    2. For God to commit suicide.
     
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    I think there needs to be clarification on what is termed evolution. Micro evolution is a scientific fact, macro evolution is the silly darwinism theory.
     
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    In the reading of the OP you will find that I did just that. I'll go one step further, when I was a junior high student, what you call Micro Evolution, was known by the term of Adaptation. The act of redefining Adaptation to lend some path down to slide into Darwin's theory is just a cheap trick of the Revisionist culture of today.
     
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    I don't see in the OP where you clarified that...can you show exactly where? Adapt, evolve, mold, change, etc. are all a matter of semantics. If I use the word evolve to describe something it doesn't mean I'm secretly part of Darwin's clan nor does it mean I'm a revisionist...
     
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    No one who believes in theistic evolution is saying God HAD to do it that way, only that He chose to.
     
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    You are correct. He chose to create the way He did. He also chose to inspire men to write the first few chapters of Genesis, which explains what happened. I see no evidence of eons of time in those passages, if that is what you are getting at. Therefore, I believe in the young earth theory.

    When there are no Biblical passages to address a particular subject, I can have an open mind. For example, there are those on this board who have said time and time again there can be no life on other celestial systems, when there is no Biblical foundation for such a belief. There may be none, but then again, there may be, and if there is, God created the life.
     
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    And except for your unnecessary jab here inserting the false statement into my mouth did I name you as such, unless you are admitting that you are part or parcel of the Revisionist movement I have been observing the past forty plus years.
    ... I'm curious, you are claiming the ame of the Christ so why all the jabs to stir discontent?
     
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    Creation is ALL Truth!

    The truth is simply this: It takes more mental and spiritual gymnastics to believe in evolution than it does to have an once of faith in the fact that God created this beautiful earth, nature and mankind.

    Creation is a matter of faith, and there is no room for the principles of evolution anywhere within the history of what God created in 6 days!

    With that said, I do believe Christian's should accept the fact that man, through technology, has evolved. This means, IMHO,that everything, with the assistance of God's Spirit, has moved from Eden - through the act or process of going from the simple or basic to the complex or advanced - to what we have now, in this time and place. To deny a form of technological evolution would make us look rather ignorant, IMHO of course!

    It is through this technological advancement that we have ALL of the creature comforts we have today. And, I truly believe that God had His hand in on ALL we have seen come forth through mankind's mind, initiative, and inventive nature.

    Great topic/post. Thanks for making all of us think a little more, which makes me more thankful for what I have.:thumbs:

    Pastor Paul:type:
     
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    What "jab" are you talking about? What false statement in your mouth? When did I admit I'm part of the Revisionist movement? What are you talking about exactly?

    Are you paranoid, or are you here just to troll? If you don't like debate or discussion...why do you post in a debate forum on a discussion board? Are you here to only teach us with drive-by posts...or do you seriously want discussion? If it's the former, they are a dime a dozen and come and go frequently...not interested.

    I simply clarified that not all evolution is darwinism, and you are the one who wanted to play the semantics game to my reply...so I'm playing.

    You claim the "ame of Christ" as well, right? Your attitude in your short time here is very un-Christlike if you do.
     
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    Indeed, there is a theistic evolution which allows for the intervention of higher intelligence (even the God of the Bible) at key moments in time to produce by "darwinian evolution" the outcome of humankind.

    Not by belief however. I am a young earth 6 day creationist.

    The Scripture reaffirms the 6 day creation throughout.

    Sin with the resulting death entered through Adam (a real man) who was made of the dust of the ground not a single cell from the sea.

    Created entities cannot cross the lines of species but reproduce "after their own kind".

    Etc, etc, etc...

    Also, someone remarked on the incredulity of the modern explanations of origins:

    The Universe and the Big Bang:

    Where something called the "singularity" (which although it cannot be defined was said to be the size of a "pea"), at absolute zero, in a perfect vacuum, exploded without being acted upon by an outside force producing everything you see through the microsope to the telescope.

    Life: million, billions ( I always forget because it keeps changing) years later in a "primordial soup" in a sea of deadly methane ammonia, a lightning bolt struck the pot and out crawled mr. and mrs. thalophyte (darwinian version of Adam and Eve). Actually, (it, they) (were, was) asexual. Go figure.

    Etc, etc, etc...

    OK, call me ignorant and naive but I'm going with

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth...​

    Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.​

    Not that those who believe in theistic eviolution are not Christians (assuming they are regenerated), just confused Christians.​

    HankD​
     
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    Hank,
    ... They have and they will call folks like me and yourself a great many names and place all manor of tags on us but in the end we will still be standing there with God and there will have been no harm done to our eternal selves.
    ... The one thing that always fascinates me is their requirement for aggression when discussing the matter. I once made my living by killing men and have since found no productivity in using thirty caliber machine guns, pistols and rifles in my life and if I want to be aggressive, that is the aggressiveness I know. It just escapes me why folks cannot converse as I and a college proff once did until someone admits defeat and concedes. The professor, by the way, was an Australian Teacher that taught the sciences of the Origins of the Earth and man.
    ... Since that time I have never been embarrassed by my inability to gain the education I wanted and I have never refused to engage anyone in intelligent discourse on the matter of origins. On the flip side, however, I have not ever found a need to waller in the mud with folks that move about sullying the name of Christ by spewing hate.
    ... Your comments appear to me to be well thought out but then some will tell you not to trust a self educated man, won't they?
     
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    Yes, but I did go quite a way in the world of academia.
    But I'm not sorry I did, in fact "intelligent design" (so-called euphemism for "God") became more and more evident to me in my agnostic school days.

    HankD
     
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    . . . but it does mean that you've fallen victim to the Darwinists' tactics.
     
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    Not too long ago, the gap theory on Gen 1 and 2 was as fundamental as the Bible, and to-day it is liberal.

    Not everything evolutionary follows Darwin. He is ancient! The time schedule was established by Bishop Uusher and does not always follow the time schedule in the Bible, which often skips generations, even in the genealogies.

    Cheers,

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    Depends upon pov.
    From my perspective..... a young earth of aproximate 6000 years age.... Darwin was a very recent event. The Bible was completed roughly around 90 C.E. That means the fundamental acceptance of the Genesis account was accepted even into the period where Darwin's ideas were being formulated and published. If one researchs the rise of his theories through the associated characters which took up his discussion and brought it to the forefront as a challenge to the Romish Church and Christian faith, (which had previous embarassments over taking an unscientific and a questionably literal Biblical interpretation of a few scriptures to declare the earth was flat and persecute Galelio,) they would see that many of the characters were serveral of questionable reputations, some with inflated egos and disputers of philosophy and, thinking themselves to be wise... were willing to propogate and expand any scheme which would challenge the authority of God and his word. These were not scientist for the most part.... but philosophers which filled the seats of instruction at the universities of their day and had their special lodges of communion with associated professors where they'd meet and eat and discuss and develop their challenges to faith at great lengths, and bring those discussions into the class room, or student clubs which they mentored.

    The adaption of living things to their changing environment is expressive of God's majesty in creating and provision for the continuance of life by making within the creature the abilities to heal and repair and the genetic strength to survive the assaults of envirnonment upon it. For example: If a bacteria would be totally killed out by penicillin.... then that strain of bacteria would be dead..... but if a few are already equipped with the genetics to withstand penicillin.... they will survive and in their survival without competition from those who were killed off.... will increase in numbers and propagate more of their kind resistant to penicillin. Lets say another antibiotic was produced which was effective against most but not all of these. That doesn't mean the bacteria 'evolved', although it is possible that God made the actual genetic material to be altered....... But it is just as likely that in the variety of genetic material already contained within one single and unique organism, all the possiblities present within it and all the possibilities of its reorganization when multiplying under conditions of stress are themselves a product of God's creation to preserve the life.

    Man takes too much credit for what he is able to do and does so without acknowledging the Creator of Man, or that the Creator gave man a mind to reason and think and use creation for his expression. All that man has come to know, God already knew and more. If God had not given the resources or placed the design already in what he made...... man could do nothing. Every element has its properties. Uranium gives off rays of energy called radiation... and radiation has the ability to charge or alter molecules which are made of atoms to change and charge them and create new complexeties. God created crystalline structure within certain minerals.... and man discovers this organization and developes way of utilizing the order within that organization. Man takes what he already discovers from that which is already created, and discovers various laws governing its formation in the natural, learns something of the forces require to reorganize its structure.... and by using the laws already present (though it may be a new discovery to man) is then able to limitly alter and 'create' a new thing..... which would not naturally occur in nature. But beyond all of it, God was here first... and in all of what man accomplishes, God made the laws and man discovers those laws. Sometimes man learns how to violate some laws.... which are also a law..... and creates great destruction such as an atomic bomb...... or alters the genetics of a food intended to nourish, to be resistant to disease or to produce a drug, or produce a pesticide to kill a bug...... and may be using the very God given creation by breaking God's law and developing man's own destruction.

    Technology changes but technology does not 'evolve' except in the sense that it is dependant upon that which came before and the laws discovered... and what it suggests or reveals about other properties yet to be discovered.

    We humans are such egotist.... we like to think we can do so much.... when we really should be giving God credit and more credit..... It was he that made us in his own image. We are nothing without him..... and with him, we are too dependant that in everything he provided.... he provided for us.... that we haven't a leg to stand on to brag and boast about what we've done.
     
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