The United Nations

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  1. The Harvest

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    I have noticed that there are a lot of people (at least according to CNN) that believe the US needs approval from the UN to go to war with other countries. Can someone please explain to me...

    1. Why do Americans think we need approval from the UN to defend ourselves and our national interests?

    2. Why do born again Christians believe that a one-world government (the UN) is a good thing? Especially those who have read the Bible.
     
  2. Ransom

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    The Harvest said:

    2. Why do born again Christians believe that a one-world government (the UN) is a good thing?

    Anyone who thinks the UN is anything like a one-world government hasn't been paying any attention to the news.
     
  3. Johnv

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    The UN is far from being a one world government. They're role tends to be rather advisory, but heavily influential. Imperfect as the UN is, I think they've helped resolve much potential conflict in the past.

    As far as needing the UN's approval prior to going to war with Iraq, we don't need their approval. However, it's much easier to conduct a military action if the UN condones it.
     
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    Agreed that the UN is hardly one-world government.

    And it would seem that if we're rambling about UN resolutions being violated, the UN should be the one to mandate the retribution, if any. If we don't want to wait for the UN to decide, then we very well shouldn't be using their resolutions as our reasons for attacking.
     
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    If we choose to be a member of a community--and we have, whether anyone here agrees with it or not--then it's the community that decides on an issue, not just an individual member of that community.

    That's why people think we need to have some sort of "approval" from the UN.

    Should the U.S. be a member of the UN? Now that's another subject entirely....

    As for not being a world government, I'd re-examine that thought. When the UN makes a resolution, each member of the UN has the choice to agree to abide by that resolution. Most of the time, the members all agree; there are examples, such as the rights of the child legislation, that haven't been agreed to by all members.

    These are the actions of a body that is making rules for all governments, not just one or two; and when more than one government agrees to abide by those rules, then a "one-world government" is taking place.

    Granted, I'm not a poli-sci major, either....
     
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    Should the U.S. be a member of the UN? Now that's another subject entirely....
    Well, now that we're in the position of unintentionally being the world's police, I think being a member of the UN gives us a little global accountability, which ain't a bad thing.

    These are the actions of a body that is making rules for all governments, not just one or two; and when more than one government agrees to abide by those rules, then a "one-world government" is taking place.
    Sorta, maybe, not quite. If there's a UN resolution that requires becoming a matter of law in the US, it needs to go through congress to become law, then the President needs to execute it, and then the courts need to interpret it. Other countries with a multibranch bicamoral governmental system may also act similarly.
     
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    We shouldn't be using their resolutions as our reasons for attacking. We shouldn't even be members of the UN.
     
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    oops, too many clicks
     
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    Harvest, in answer to your questions:

    1. Why do Americans think we need approval from the UN to defend ourselves and our national interests?

    I don't. And neither does any Christian American I've talked to. Of course, I hang out with Conservatives.
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    2. Why do born again Christians believe that a one-world government (the UN) is a good thing? Especially those who have read the Bible.

    I don't. And neither does anybody at my IFB church, comprised mainly of Conservatives. And who believe the One World Government will happen & is headed that way, but it won't come to fruition until after the trumpet blows.


    And, Harvest, this is probably something you already know....Americans who answer "yes" to your questions are either (A) liberals, or (B) don't know what the Bible says, or a combination of both. [​IMG]

    Really? Do you mean the same UN who kicked the US off of the 53-member UN Human Rights Commission, a body we helped found & have participated in since 1947? That UN? :rolleyes:

    Whose Human Rights Commission is comprised of other countries such as Cuba, China, Libya, Sudan (over 1 million Sudanese citizens murdered) Algeria, Pakistan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, countries who are on Human Right's Watch Lists----That UN? :rolleyes:

    You mean the UN who is so spineless it has done nothing about Saddam Hussein who has murdered over 200,000 of his own citizens? That UN?

    :rolleyes:

    http://www.getusout.org/un
     
  10. Johnv

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    So we should onyl be a member of the UN if we get our way? I don't buy that.

    For the record, I know my Bible, and I'm not a liberal.
     
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    Yeh, that's what you think.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    In regards to the UN, I think that a one world goernment is something the UN could be used for as a springboard to that end. Is this the path the AntiChrist will use to that end, I don't know. It is the obvious choice though. As far as that goes, look at what is happening in Europe, with the European Union. It's a start.

    Should the US be a part of the UN. No. and I don't think that our boys need to be wearing those UN military uniforms while they are at it. That brings up another subject, why does something that has no governing authority, have its own uniforms? And should US soldiers be wearing them? Isn't that akin to putting your government under the control of a central authority? Just some thoughts.

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    amen SheEagle. i'm not sure if you and i have ever agreed on anything yet, but i'm glad we agree on this one!!

    RTB...as a member of the USAF who is a conservative Bible-believing Baptist, i will NEVER wear a UN uniform. they can kick me out with a dishonourable discharge if they see fit. but i will NEVER wear that gay blue hat or armband or any other one-world anti-Jesus article. and neither should anyone else. but i'm not so naive to think that it will never happen. i've read my Bible and I know it's coming. i'm just glad i'll be wearing a white robe when it's going on. amen?
     
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    Harvest,
    Do you have a choice about wearing them? When does our military have to wear them?
     
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    Kelly,
    I'm glad you broke the news to Johnv. For some reason, it seems more believable coming from you than all of us who have tried in the past to let him know. :D
     
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    LOL, Olive. I actually don't think he's a liberal. Maybe in comparison to some on this board, but certainly not generally.

    No offense, John. :D
     
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    1. Why do Americans think we need approval from the UN to defend ourselves and our national interests?

    Because might does not make right and invading another country pre-emptively is an act of aggression, not defense. If you think your neighbor might someday shoot you, you cannot go over to her house and kill her and then claim it was self-defense.

    2. Why do born again Christians believe that a one-world government (the UN) is a good thing? Especially those who have read the Bible.

    There are several erroneous assumptions in your question. The UN is not a one-world government; but a way for reaching international consensus on global issues and pooling resources. Secondly, there is certainly no universal perspective on how to interpret Revelation; and one widel held view is that the first-century Roman Empire is the "one-world government." They already got theirs, so many of us born-again Christians aren't too-concerned.

    As for wearing the UN insignia on a US uniform, I never had to but wouldn't have minded. If you're old enough to have served with any Korean War veterans you may have noticed that they proudly wore a UN peacekeeping medal on their Class-A's. The UN, although by-no-means perfect, has been a source of international stability for decades now.

    Joshua
     
  18. HankD

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    Amen Harvest, but you are already wearing it.

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  19. The Harvest

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    I don't know anyone who has had to wear them as of yet. The Air Force doesn't tend to have to worry so much about that.

    You always have a choice to obey or disobey an order. And my convictions are that the UN is against everything I believe in, and unconstitutional as well. So if I were ever ordered to wear any UN insignia or uniform, I would refuse and take the punishment.
     
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    Amen Harvest, but you are already wearing it.

    HankD
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