The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

    WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
    "We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.
    Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."
    He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.
    "The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.
    "This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
    The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.
    Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."
    Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.
    Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
    "This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."
    The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.
    He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.
    "It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.
    Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.
    "We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.
    "It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.
    The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.
    At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, "religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.
    Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.
    "This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.
    As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.
    "We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.
    FOX News' Jim Angle and Sharon Kehnemui Liss contributed to this report.
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    You must be making that up! Why, that just upsets the applecart when it comes to liberals whining about the war!
     
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    To be fair those weapons were from pre 1991 and were not what the Bush administration was warning about. Most of these weapons could not have been fired by Saddam since they were outdated. However they could still be used by terrorists to create dirty bombs (etc). So it is a serious concern.

    As a senior Defense Department official told Fox News...

    "This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991,...are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

    I think everyone knew Saddam had this kind of stuff. Only the diehard, antiBush, antiwar crowd would have denied that. We have still not found the kind of weapons that the Bush administration (etc) warned about, nor have we found enough to justify the war (and all the dead American soilders). This war was a mistake. Not a lie, a mistake (poor judgment).

    Btw, democrats don't need to get too happy here. After all Bill Clinton launched Operation Desert Fox in the late '90s. It now appears that Saddam had no WMD at that point either (even though Clinton said he did).

    So both sides have made serious mistakes.
     
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    Nothing fair there. These are chemical weapons (which we were looking for) that were never declared by Saddam to the UN Inspectors.
     
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    This is no news at all. And Martin is right, these are NOT the weapons Bush, Powell, Rumsfeld and crew told us were there? Where are the nuclear weapon labs? Where is the yellowcake? Where are the biological weapons? I'll tell you where...in Bush's brain. Where were new chemical weapons labs?
     
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    ... and Kerry, Clinton, Gore, Lieberman, Biden, etc and the French and the Germans and the Russians... in fact, pretty much anyone with access to intelligence data said the weapons were there.
    That just proves your blind hatred for Bush that causes you to say false things about him. Bush didn't make it up. Two separate and independent bipartisan investigations agreed that the WH did not put pressure on intel analysts. Bush made the only decision a responsible leader could have made considering the info laid before him.

    You cannot take the risk that a dedicated state sponsor of terrorism is in possession of WMDs that they intend to share with terrorists... especially when they have stated an intent to see terrorist acts with WMD's carried out against the US.
     
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    It has been shown that Bush knew the yellowcake from Africa was bogus when he stood before the American people and said it anyway. Oh wait..he said NOOK-YOU-LER weapons. Maybe Saddam had those, but no NUCLEAR weapons. :laugh:


    I don't hate Bush. I think he has issues with telling the truth, and is an idiot, but as a human being, I don't hate him. He is just incompetent to be POTUS.
     
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    This is coming from someone that voted for Bush twice, Nixon, and Reagan. If this guy could run for a third term, he would not get my vote. His Congress is the most inept and leaderless I have ever seen. Republicans promised lower spending, balanced budgets, secure borders, and respect abroad. This government has failed miserably in all these areas. And yes, there is an element of honesty in all this. Our dilemma is that replacing this circus with democrats is not the answer, but Republicans derserve to be thrashed at the polls.
     
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    They found weapons that don't work. They had been dumped, possibly because they don't work.

    This is important...why?
     
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    They were old but undestroyed.

    "The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq."


    U.N. inspections were really effective.:rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, too bad in the rush to war, Bush didn't allow them to continue.
     
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    It helps to read all the information.These are still dangerous. There is fear of going on the black market and being used by terrorists.
    And these were never declared by Saddam to UN Inspectors.

    This is important because :
    1.He had them.
    2. Having them was against the cease fire agreement.
    3. They could have been used at any time.
    4. WMDs, do exist. Even when libs deny it.
     
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    You are blaming the wrong person. Saddam was playing cat and mouse. Inhibiting the inspections. He was given several warnings to stop this and allow unfettered access and he refused. He did this for 12 years. 12 years is not a rush, 12 years is 12 years.
     
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    And then, when we were making good progress, when the UN was back inside Iraq and getting good cooperation, Bush decides he had better invade while he still had a chance. He did NOT give the inspectors time to do their job, and even Hans Blix, the lead UN inspector feels that they were pushed out by the invasion.
     
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    Not quite.

    http://www.state.gov/s/d/former/armitage/remarks/17094.htm

    Iraqi Cooperation on Weapons Inspections Lacking

    Richard L. Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State

    Testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
    Washington, DC
    January 30, 2003

    EXCERPT

    This situation has just about reached a boiling point, and the entire world is watching. Rightfully so. This is what Monday's report told us: since the passage of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, Iraq's last chance to disarm, Iraq has refused to hand over or destroy its chemical and biological weapons; Iraq has refused to identify the location and fate of its considerable stocks of anthrax, botulinum toxin, VX, sarin, and mustard gas; Iraq has refused to surrender its mobile biological capabilities, which are essentially germ laboratories tucked into the back of a Mack truck; and Iraq has refused to account for tens of thousands of empty -- and full -- chemical and biological warheads. And, mind you, these are just the materials and the weapons we know about, just some of what UNSCOM catalogued in 1999 after inspectors were kicked out of Iraq in 1998. We do not know what Saddam Hussein may have amassed in the years since.

    SNIP

    On Monday, Dr. Blix came to the conclusion that "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance -- not even today -- of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace." The Department of State shares this conclusion. Iraq has failed to cooperate actively, and without active cooperation, the peaceful disarmament of Iraq is not going to be possible. As you have heard us say, time is running out for the Iraqi regime to remedy this situation.

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    On Monday, after 60 days of inspections, the inspectors delivered bad news. Iraq has failed each test. My colleague, Ambassador Negroponte, will speak to this in more detail, but essentially, Iraq's declaration was a scurrilous 12,000-page waste of time. Not one member of the Council rose to defend it. The three-foot tall stack of papers is –- at best –- recycled information with a dash of new obfuscation. As for Iraqi cooperation, it has been neither active, immediate nor unconditional. In fact, it has been lacking altogether. Take, for example, aerial surveillance. Because of Iraq's interference, the inspectors are not supported by any fixed-wing aerial surveillance at this time, which is in direct defiance of the detailed terms of Resolution 1441.
     
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    More specualtion and conjecture. It is important because they are biological Chemical weapons that have the potential to do serious damage on a large scale.

    If you think they are so irrelevent go take a wiff. Go handle them. these are WMDs' and they are real, they are dangerous and they are that which folks like you say were never there. But yet here they are.
     
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    We found outdated chemicals in Iraq quick put more troops on our streets, install more cameras, tap our phones, intercept our internet traffic, we need martial law, we need martial law, aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, we need multinational troops and mercenaries to keep us safe oooooooooo, take our guns away pleeeeeeeze, we need martial law! :eek:

    Thirty percenters. :rolleyes:
     

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