The unpopular (but deadly) truth of conditional salvation

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  1. evangelist-7

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    Here’s a page full of “conditional salvation” verses …

    1 Cor 15:1-2 • Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you,
    which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved,
    IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

    Heb 3:6 • … but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are
    IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

    Col 1:22-23 • … to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight
    IF indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away
    from the hope of the gospel

    1 Jn 2:3-5 • Now by this we know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments.
    He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,
    and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God
    is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

    Rom 8:13-17 • For IF you live according to the flesh you will die;
    but IF by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
    … we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God
    and joint heirs with Christ, IF indeed we suffer with Him

    1 John 1:7-10 • But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship
    with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us
    from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar

    Heb 10:38-39 • Now the just shall live by faith; but IF anyone draws back,
    My soul has no pleasure in him.” But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,
    but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

    Heb 2:1-4 • Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard,
    lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every
    transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape
    IF we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and
    was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs
    and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?

    2 Pet 2:20-22 • For IF, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the
    knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and
    overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been
    better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it,
    to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them
    according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and,
    “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

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    E7, do you have children? Do you put conditions on them remaining your children?
     
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    Why is there a picture of a buzzard next to flowers on your profile pic? :laugh: :type:
     
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    Nobut, God does ... obviously!
    But, dat's okay, I'm not God!

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    You do understandthat essentially ALL the verses that you keep quoting to us refer to false/professing non christians, right?
     
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    :mad: That is NOT a buzzard! That's my burd! :love2:
     
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    And we all heave a collective sigh of relief!
     
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    Someone is obsessed
     
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    That ios really good news, for even he would have no assurance if he was!
     
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    Many hearty congrats to you and your buddy, DHK!

    You guys preach the gospel, telling the people that ...
    if they believe, they will receive a guaranteed eternal life in heaven.

    This is actually telling them that they can live however they choose
    because they have received a guaranteed eternal life in heaven. Dah.

    Not only do you refuse to accompany your preaching with God's S-W-M
    (which has always been His method, and has never been rescinded),
    but you also promise your new converts falsehoods,
    which are from the very pits of hell.

    And you have no idea how many millions have gone to hell
    because they have foolishly believed and trusted in this lie.

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    Apparently you are a better father than God.:rolleyes:
     
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    Romans 8
    38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord

    Ephesians 4:30 (ESV)
    30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption
     
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    Actually Christ tells His ELECT this, and they bear the marks of true belief. :wavey:

    Nope. This is what the goats are taught and how they live and expect to go to heaven. My friends on here know I preach no such false gospel as you describe above, nor do I preach YOUR false gospel that teaches goats to look like sheep for a while.

    Actually you promise goats heaven if they dance a jig for a while in wool, and the sheep see your error and false doctrine. You should invest in asbestos outer wear. :)

    Then you should stop preaching. No, wait. Never mind, God will save His elect in spite of your false gospel. The sheep will not be deceived by your message. Man I love Sovereignty! What an awesome God and awesome doctrine!!!!! :thumbsup:
     
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    well dress him already, he looks plump and juicy!!!! :laugh:
     
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    Obviously, part of eternal security is that one is eternally secure ... no matter what his lifestyle.

    That should be a no-brainer, but for those who are deceived and brain-washed well ...

    It's all part and parcel of your false salvation package.

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    Many have said that such people are "marked" with a seal.
    Not "sealed" with a seal that cannot be broken.

    My most trusted commentary written by a Pentecostal missionary ...

    "The Holy Spirit's seal is our passport to heaven. Let us not lose it!"

    Too bad you're not taught by Pentecostals/Charismatics.
    But, thou art taught by cessationists who are lacking some (not all) spiritual understanding.

    Just, try to keep an open heart and mind, okay.

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    Oh, now straw man caricatures? Now, if anyone on here preaches that nonsense they are no better off than you and your false goat in sheeps garb gospel.


    Again, you're beating on a straw man.

    My false salvation package would be anyone not having evidence of regeneration isn't, or that they have false salvation. Yours is to get goats to dance in wool and reform so they can be twice the children of hell. But nevertheless God will save His sheep in spite of your errors. They will all come to Him and all will be saved.
     
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    'Kay, genius ... why did God give humans free will?

    Your answer: To see who gets which rewards.[​IMG]

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    Lost man isn't free in his will but a slave (enslaved) to sin and is not free until Christ sets them free.
     
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    :eek: Actually he is plump, but thankfully he's too old and tough to eat! LOL
     

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