The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record

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  1. Revmitchell

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    When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data. There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science, showing how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
    Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models. The effect of this has been to downgrade earlier temperatures and to exaggerate those from recent decades, to give the impression that the Earth has been warming up much more than is justified by the actual data. In several posts headed “Data tampering at USHCN/GISS”, Goddard compares the currently published temperature graphs with those based only on temperatures measured at the time. These show that the US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record; whereas the latest graph, nearly half of it based on “fabricated” data, shows it to have been warming at a rate equivalent to more than 3 degrees centigrade per century.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...e-scandal-of-fiddled-global-warming-data.html
     
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    The old-timers all agreed that there were several years during the depression where the summer heat was about 100 degrees in Indianapolis for a couple of weeks at a time. In the high humidity, that is a lot of heat. There has not been anything like it since.
     
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    Looking at the data, I see an overall warming trend since the late 1800s, though at a lesser rate than some folks claim. How much of that change is due to natural climate cycles and/or urban heat effects ( and how well those effects are accounted for), and how much due to greenhouse gasses is a topic for much debate.

    However, the 1930s were, by far, the most "extreme" decade in our nation's history. Using the fifty states' all-time records for hottest/coldest days and wettest/driest years, over 1/4 of the total (52 of 200: 4 parameters*50) came in the 1930s. The 1950s are next for those records, with exactly half (26/52) of the number for the 1930s. The '30s records include hottest day for 23 states, with 13 measured in 1936 alone. They also include, ironically, coldest days for 10 states. The dustbowl helped that decade to record the driest years in 17 states, with only 2 states (ID and WA) recording their wettest year in the 1930s. Though records are sketchy prior to 1870 (though several records were set before then) and I've no updates since 2009, that's still 14 decades of useful coverage.
     
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    You mention the 1930's and 1950's; what's the data look like for 1970's and 1990's?
     
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    This is just another example of selectively choosing your endpoints. It's really useless to make comparisons like this.
     
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    What's "useless" is attempting to use faked temp data to "prove" your case for warming, when the reality is obviously the opposite is true.
     
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    Agreed, and I know you're not addressing me in particular. I'm asking for those two additional time periods because with 1930's and 1950's, there's a *hint* of a possible cycle...if it turns out that the 70's and 90's were anything similar to the temps in the 30's and 50's, my next question would regard the status of the solar cycle during those periods.

    In fact, let's go ahead and ask: What kind of solar activity did we see in the 1930's?
     
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    No, I was not addressing you. I was simply stating that both sides of this debate can pull up charts to "prove" their position if they pick endpoints favorable to their theories. And obviously, using ginned data is even worse.

    Not sure where you're going with this...
     
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    The article quoted is an opinion piece, not news. Also, the author is cherry picking and not looking at the overall trend. It is a meaningless piece of garbage. If you review other essays by Christopher Booker it becomes obvious that he falls in the category of Rush Limbaugh, an English Rush ... an entertainer who is not to be taken seriously.

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    And he lobs the ball over the plate...
     
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    Yeah. If you listen to Rush, you'll never be able to learn Steve Colbert is conservative.
     
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    For some context, the 12 decades from the 1890s (1st decade with at least 10) thru the 2000s hold 189 of the 200 records, about 16 per decade. The median decadal number is 12.5 ('30s skews the average.)

    The 1970s hold 14 records, 9 in the cold/wet parameters but well spread. The 1990s are #3 decade with 20 - 5 hottest days, 6 coldest, 9 wettest years, no dry. The 2000s have only 6 (2-1-2-1 across the 4 parameters), the 2nd lowest decade behind the 1920s with 3. I'm not sure I've got all the updates for the 2000s, though I do have one for 2011: OK's coldest temp. Additional note on the 1950s: 19 of the 26 records are precipitation, 10 wet and 9 dry.
     
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    Is there a link I'm missing? I'd like to peruse the data myself.

    1930's - #1
    1950's - #2
    1990's - #3
    1970's - (?) 14 records

    If these were all related to heat (warming), I'd wonder at what point of the solar cycle the heat records occurred.
     
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    I have learned climate data can be manipulated more than political polls. But I do know what my Father has told me about the 30s, he was a teenager then and said it was horrible, nothing like it since. He said they had to cut trees down to give the cattle something to eat for the grass was gone.
     
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    My temperature data was obtained by searching for "state temperature extremes". The wikipedia site had the numbers. The precipitation info also followed a search, and the site was: weatherrecords.owlinc.org.

    From what I've read about anthropogenic global warming (AGW, a.k.a. climate change), one result is supposed to be greater extremes in weather within an overall warming process. There may be scientific basis for this view (my expertise is in forestry, with meteorology only a hobby), but it also opens the door for attributing to AGW any weather event as one chooses.

    Given basic meteorology, a warming climate would logically produce more hottest days (duh) and also more wettest years, as warmer air can hold more water vapor. However, the state extremes follow no pattern that I can detect, other than the freakish 1930s. Below are the top decades for each of the four parameters:

    Hottest Day: 1930s(23), 1910s/50s/90s(5 each), no others above 2

    Coldest Day: 1930s(10), 1980s/90s(6 each), 1890s/1900s(5 each), 1960s/70s(4 each)

    Wettest Year: 1950s(10), 1990s(9), 1940s(6), 1970s(5), 1870s,1880s,1980s(3 each)

    Driest Year: 1930s(17), 1950s/60s(9 each), 1940s(4), 1970s(3)

    A bit of memorable (to me) trivia: The single year holding the most "driest" records is 1965 with six, basically all the states surrounding New York City (but not New York State.) At that time I lived in NJ, and this was toward the end of the 1960s Northeast drought that began about 1962, and came to a startlingly abrupt end in September, 1966..
     

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