THE VALIDITY of A CHRISTIAN?

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  1. slozand

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    False Christians?
    How do you tell them apart from the real Christians?

    They both quote from the bible.
    They both pray.
    They both commit sin.
    They both say they are not perfect.
    They both claim to love Jesus.

    Is there anything they both do not do that is the same?

    What is the differences between the two?
     
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    They both attend church.

    They both sing and praise the Lord.
     
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    One calls Him 'Lord, Lord' and does the things He says (obeys Him), does not live a lifestyle of lawlessness (iniquity) because this one has been saved from his sin.

    The other calls Him 'Lord, Lord' and does not obey Him, does not really know Him, and lives a lifestyle of iniquity because this person has not been saved from his sin.

    Matthew 7:21-23
     
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    So how do you tell
    which ones them is and which ones them ain't?
     
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    I'd be more interested in telling if I am, or if I am not.

    We should ask these questions and examine these Scriptures to see if our belief and conversion is genuine, and all of this is of God:

    Is God in you, causing you to walk in His ways, Ezekiel 36:26-27; Php. 2:13;

    Note the BOOK
    of 1 John as a test (and not just 1 John 5:13) and prayerfully seek to know if we pass those tests within her pages, and if struggling we look for the power of God and willingness to repent and practice righteousness, as we all fall short in some ways yet there is abiding fruit at the same time;

    Do we abide in His teachings?, 2 John;

    Do we live in iniquity? Galatians 5:19ff.

    Do we bear good fruit?, and the only way we can is to abide in Him, John 15;

    Do we pursue peace and the holiness? (sanctification) Hebrews 12:14.

    These are some of the things He has given as a light to our path to direct us to Him and with which to examine ourselves.
     
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    Why would you have to figure it out?
     
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    Why would I have to do that when
    I have been born of water and the Spirit?
     
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    Isn't all this for those who do not have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost?
     
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    You either have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost
    or you do not have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

    I don't think it can get much more simple as that.

    Do you?
     
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    So how do you know them
    who have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost
    from those who do not?
     
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    Because the Scriptures give us tests of self examination for a reason, and also show to us what true conversion looks like, and what false conversion looks like. This is what I shared with you above. As the disciples stated 'Is it I'?
     
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    ...and there are evidences of this as well. Right?
     
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    How so?
     
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    What is that evidence?
     
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    I've given you some things to look at in the Scriptures, and there is no way you've already done this thoughtfully. Take time to go and read through these things. :)
     
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    Are you talking about this scripture?

    Here is how you know
    if you really are a child of God.

    1 John, Chapter 3

    8: He that committeth sin is of the devil;
    for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
    For this purpose the Son of God was manifested,
    that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
    for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
    because he is born of God.

    10: In this the children of God are manifest,
    and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth
    not righteousness is not of God, neither he that
    loveth not his brother.

    The children of God are not brothers and sisters
    to the children of the devil.
     
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    Is this the best you can do?
     
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    Do you live by the word of God or the Spirit of God?
     
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    Nope, but it's the best I am going to do for the evening. :)
     
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    Well it was not good enough.
     

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