The Wave of the Future-Freedom Lost?

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  1. OldRegular

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    Wal-Mart Ordered to Stock Emergency Contraception
    Tuesday, February 14, 2006

    BOSTON — The state pharmacy board ordered Wal-Mart on Tuesday to stock emergency contraception pills at its stores in Massachusetts.

    Massachusetts becomes second state to require the world's largest retailer to carry the morning-after pill.

    A Wal-Mart spokesman said the company would comply with the directive by the Massachusetts Board of Pharmacy and is reviewing its nationwide policy on the drug.

    "Clearly women's health is a high priority for Wal-Mart," spokesman Dan Fogleman said. "We are actively thinking through the issue."

    Wal-Mart now carries the pill only in Illinois, where it is required to do so under state law. The company has said it "chooses not to carry many products for business reasons," but has refused to elaborate.

    The unanimous decision by the pharmacy board comes two weeks after three women, backed by abortion rights groups, sued Bentonville, Ark.-based Wal-Mart for failing to carry the drug in its 44 Wal-Marts and four Sam's Club stores in Massachusetts.

    The women had argued that state policy requires pharmacies to provide all "commonly prescribed medicines."

    The morning-after pill provides a high dose of hormones that women can take up to five days after sex to prevent pregnancy. Some abortion opponents believe emergency contraception is a form of abortion because it blocks the fertilized egg from being implanted on the uterine wall.

    CVS, the state's largest pharmacy chain, stocks the pill at all of its pharmacy locations, as do the state's other major pharmacy chains.

    Sam Perkins, a lawyer for the three women, praised the board's decision and said he was prepared to sue in other states should Wal-Mart not overturn its policy. Abortion rights groups and women's organizations have also urged Wal-Mart to change its policy.

    "I'm proud to be able to tell my patients that they now can go anywhere for their prescriptions," said one of the plaintiffs, Dr. Rebekah Gee, 30, of Boston. "My patients should not have to shop around."

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184879,00.html
     
  2. hillclimber

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    How can a state require any business to carry anything? Does not the constitution allow Wal Mart to sell what they want and not sell what they don't want?
     
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    Ther are limits. I doubt the US government would allow them to sell plutonium to Iran.
     
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    I would think so! Furthermore, it was a decision by bureaucrats [The state pharmacy board] who made the ruling, not an elected body.
     
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    Ther are limits. I doubt the US government would allow them to sell plutonium to Iran. </font>[/QUOTE]You have to know that is not pertinent to the subject.
     
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    Pharmaceuticals are well-regulated. Most states' pharmacy (or similar) boards have at least some kind requirement upon pharmacies to carry all commonly sold perscription products. One of the main purposes is to prevent "selective" perscription filling for stores that have pharmacy services. For example, directing a patient that they don't carry "that" drug, but carry a nonprescription version over the counter, which, btw, just happens to be manufactured by the retailer you're visiting. This requirement also guarantees to some extent that you can go to any one pharmacy and get all of yoru prescriptions filled, instead of having to go to multiple pharmacy locations.
     
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    Pharmaceuticals are well-regulated. Most states' pharmacy (or similar) boards have at least some kind requirement upon pharmacies to carry all commonly sold perscription products. One of the main purposes is to prevent "selective" perscription filling for stores that have pharmacy services. For example, directing a patient that they don't carry "that" drug, but carry a nonprescription version over the counter, which, btw, just happens to be manufactured by the retailer you're visiting. This requirement also guarantees to some extent that you can go to any one pharmacy and get all of yoru prescriptions filled, instead of having to go to multiple pharmacy locations. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for this information. [​IMG]
     
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    It is just possble that the people who run Walmart have scrupples about selling a drug that kills unborn babies.
     
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    Then they shouldn't be selling, aspirin, ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil, etc.), or naproxen sodium (Alleve). Of, for that matter, any products with caffiene. Even manyt herbal dietary supplements have a high rate of causing miscarriage.
     
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    Then they shouldn't be selling, aspirin, ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil, etc.), or naproxen sodium (Alleve). Of, for that matter, any products with caffiene. Even manyt herbal dietary supplements have a high rate of causing miscarriage. </font>[/QUOTE]Johnv, I know you are very knowledgable but could you supply a source for this claim. I might add that the purpose of aspirin, ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil, etc.), or naproxen sodium (Alleve), caffiene or herbal supplements is not to cause the death of the unborn child which is the purpose of so-called morning after pill.
     
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    I have three kids, does that count as being expert? [​IMG]


    I remember well the staunch admonishments of what to completely avoid during pregnancy. Aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen sodium, greatly increase the risk of miscarriage. High enough doses will practically guarantee a miscarriage in the first few weeks of pregnancy. But those high doses also have significant side effects as well, which is why they're not recommended for inducing a miscarriage. Caffiene intake also increases the risk of miscarriage. Many rather benign looking herbal supplements do so likewise. It is a matter of history that herbal remedies were used in ancient times to miscarry, with reasonable effectiveness. Anyone who is pregnant or planning on becoming pregnant should avoid all these things completely.

    Anyhoo, you make a good point about the issue of purpose. But a good case can be made for the difference between an abortion and the "morning after" pill, as ther're often called. The pill uses the hormones estrogen and progestin (which are normally found in the body). The pill delays ovulation and prevents fertilization. If fertilization has occurred, it inhibits implantation. The pill does not affect an existing pregnancy.

    Where one stands on this isse is based on whether one feels that life begins at conception or implantation. Either way, this is not a scriptural issue, but a personal conviction issue. I don't think there is anyone here who would consider terminating of a pregnancy as appropriate for the Christian. The MA pill does not terminate a pregnancy. If a pharmacy carries birth control pills, then it is no less ethical to carry the MA pill.
     
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    Johnv

    Once fertilization occurs there is a human life.
     
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    I agree with OR. At the point of conception, there is an entity with unique DNA; that should have ended any debate about termination, even from a purely biological view (without considering theology).

    Instead, what we have are judicial decrees based on a mixture of junk science, selfishness, and desires to retain sinful lifestyles, devoid of any true ethics.
     
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    On the other hand, God said, "The life is in the blood."
     
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    take a bald eagle egg and see what happens. Or even a feather.
     
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    The fertilized human egg is a living human baby. Unless some external influence inhibits or prevents its growth to full maturity, it will emerge from its mother's womb as a human baby. It will not be born as a cucumber, squash, octopus, bald eagle or anything other than a baby. It is a baby. Anything that stops this process causes the death of a human being. If it is done wilfully, then it is murder.
     
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    Then they shouldn't be selling, aspirin, ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil, etc.), or naproxen sodium (Alleve). Of, for that matter, any products with caffiene. Even manyt herbal dietary supplements have a high rate of causing miscarriage. </font>[/QUOTE]Aspartame is a mixture of toxins known to have all kinds of ill effects on humans but Wal Mart still stocks it on their shelves. Thank you Wal Mart FDA and Mr. Rumsfeld.

    http://aspartamekills.com/

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    Poncho,
    Common table salt is made up of sodium and chloride.

    Both of them are deadly poison.
     
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    OK then... the zygote isn't a baby... you have just bought enough time to perform a dnz... but not enough for abortionists enabled by liberal politicians and voters to stop beating hearts (about 3 weeks after conception).
     
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    Pointing to legitimate medicines as a justification for forcing the morning after pill on a pharmacy is ridiculous.

    Intended purpose is key.

    If there was a "kill the inconvenient spouse/child" drug... would WalMart have to sell it too?
     

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