Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you. 1 Peter 1:18-20 Does that state that it was foreordained before the foundation of the world, before God said, Let there be light," that the Christ would shed his blood, that is die the death, to redeem something that would be sold? Would the Christ be able to, die the death, because of what is stated in these verses? Lev. 17:11 Darby for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul. And. Isa 53:12 KJV Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. And Hebrews 2:14 KJV Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; The main questions as why I re-opened this OP. Could any of that above have been done especially that in bold without, "the fall," having taken place? If, "the fall," had not been by the first man Adam would not righteousness have been by the law instead of by promise? Would not life, eternal, have come by the law? Ref. Gal 3 Does not the answer to this thread not also answer the thread in the General Forum? Blaming God for mans sin. Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. KJV How was God going to be able to die, which was necessary in order for God to destroy the works of the devil? Was it not by creating man in his image and then sending his Son into the world, by being born of woman taken from the man created in his image? Where was And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him, when God said, "let there be light"? Why? And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness wasupon the face of the deep. Why did God create Adam? What is man?