They're Finally Trying to do it!

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by Eric B, Jul 16, 2003.

  1. Eric B

    Eric B
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2001
    Messages:
    4,806
    Likes Received:
    2
    Create "life" out of inanimate material. ABC News did a story on this yesterday, but it is not on their website, so I have no links to provide. But that is apparently the big story in science this week.
     
  2. A_Christian

    A_Christian
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2003
    Messages:
    922
    Likes Received:
    0
    And if they CANNOT create life? That would
    have to mean that for life to have happened without GOD would be TOTALLY ridiculous.
    Already scientists have been attempting to
    CREATE another species by radiating fruit-flies.
    That hasn't happened either with ALL their
    diligence.

    Do scientists lack the diligence of Nature? Seems
    to me that Nature doesn't have a manipulative
    thought for anything...
     
  3. Meatros

    Meatros
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2003
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    0
    Way to jump to conclusions A_Christian. If they couldn't create life in this attempt, it could be the result of many things.

    I think you lack the facts on what the scientists are actually doing.
     
  4. A_Christian

    A_Christian
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2003
    Messages:
    922
    Likes Received:
    0
    But Nature can establish life even though it
    attempts NOTHING...
     
  5. ColoradoFB

    ColoradoFB
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2003
    Messages:
    587
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gene Wilder already did this in Mel Brooks' Young Frankenstein.

    "It's pronounced FRAHNK-en-steen!"
     
  6. Meatros

    Meatros
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2003
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well when you see a tree doing lab science, you let me know.
     
  7. Travelsong

    Travelsong
    Expand Collapse
    Guest

    If we are ever successful in this endeavor it will only prove that people can be really clever. Apart from that, one needs to demonstrate natural conditions for something like this to occur in order to substantiate abiogenesis. I don't think that will happen any time soon.
     
  8. Steven O. Sawyer

    Steven O. Sawyer
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2003
    Messages:
    55
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with Travelsong. In fact, that was the point I repeatedly tried to make under the "abiogenesis" thread.

    To Christians who don't believe that man will ever create life, I'd say... don't bet on it. Man can be pretty clever, and I believe it may be possible for man to engineer a living organism someday. But, I do not think they will ever be able to demonstrate that life can arise under truely naturalistic conditions. I think the origin-of-life experiments will continue to illustrate the "brick wall" that naturalists pretend does not exist.
     
  9. Paul of Eugene

    Paul of Eugene
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2001
    Messages:
    2,782
    Likes Received:
    0
    If a scientist sets out to create "life" - how do we know if he succeeded? What does he have to create to qualify that as "life"?
     
  10. A_Christian

    A_Christian
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2003
    Messages:
    922
    Likes Received:
    0
    Imogene Coca :D
     
  11. Helen

    Helen
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/Helen2.gif>

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2001
    Messages:
    11,703
    Likes Received:
    1
    A number of evolutionists have tried to divorce abiogenesis from evolution. I would refer them to an article in the May 28 BMC Evolutionary Biology (http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcevolbiol/)

    which has an article about abiogenesis -- for they (silly of them!) actually consider that evolution involves abiogenesis as well...
     
  12. Elena

    Elena
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2003
    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    0
    EF Well, (a) of course life has to start if it is to evolve! But we could also posit that (b) life could have arisen and not evolved. This creates an interesting philosophical paradox. Those who try to divorce abiogenesis from evolution argue that option (b) is at least a viable possibility and creationists who choose option (a) must also consider evolution a real possibility. This is true even if only arguing scenarios. At any rate, I think the whole abiogenesis debate is much ado about nothing. Both 'sides' know that life exists and both 'sides' agree it evolved. We debate limits of evolution.
    As far as humans creating life in the lab, creationists always have an out. They will merely assert that it took intelligence to create the life. Maybe I'm missing something here, but I really don't find the abiogenesis argument compelling for either side.
     

Share This Page

Loading...