They're Lying to You: Appropriations and “Shutdown” Lies

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  1. poncho

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    As Democrats and Republicans squabble over federal funding and a partial shutdown of the federal government looms, many in the press are mindlessly parroting the Democratic Party's talking points about the shutdown. But what's the reality? Following are three false claims regarding the looming shutdown, and why they are lies.

    False claim #1: Republicans are shutting down the government.

    “So far, the Republicans in the House of Representatives have refused to move forward.... The House Republicans are so concerned with appeasing the tea party that they've threatened a government shutdown or worse unless I gut or repeal the Affordable Care Act."
    — President Barack Obama, press conference, September 27

    Why it's a lie
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    ‘Government Shut Down’ Won’t Actually Shut Down Government

    It turns out that the ominous “government shut down” isn’t so apocalyptic after all since it won’t actually shut down government because the vast majority of federal services and activity will continue as normal.

    In addition, the same thing has happened – without dire consequences – no less than 17 times over the past three decades.


    The dispute over Obamacare means it is “99.9%” certain that the US government will “shut down” on October 1st because lawmakers have failed to pass legislation that will authorize the government to spend money to fund its operations from the beginning of the new fiscal year.


    However, as the Washington Post highlights, the same “shut down” has occurred 17 times since 1977. Most of the previous shut downs lasted from a few hours to a few days. The longest ran for 21 days from December ’96 to January ’97 during the presidency of Bill Clinton.


    Obama supporters and Democrats have attempted to portray a potential government shut down as something approaching a doomsday scenario, most notably Democratic Senator Tom Harkin, who hyped the prospect of it “as dangerous as the breakup of the Union before the Civil War.”


    In reality, key functions of the government will continue to operate as before even in the event of a “shut down”.

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  2. FollowTheWay

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    The Republicans are shutting down the government. What gives them the right to arbitrarily chose to not obey the law of the land? Obamacare was passed by both houses of congress, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. If someone can chose to disobey this law why can't they chose to disobey ANY law? What do we have then? Anarchy.
     
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    Congress can choose not to fund this law. Article 1 section 9 of the US constitution. That is the law.
     
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    This is the most asinine post I've ever seen on this board. The House is a body of government and as such is empowered to make or repeal laws. The ACA, the Great Pretender's "landmark legislation" (more like "landmark fiasco") is bad law, bad policy, bad execution and needs to be repealed. Sure, the House and Senate both passed it -- when Democrats were a majority in both houses. Now, 56% of the American people want it changed, delayed, or scrapped for a return to the free enterprise system we had before.

    So put a sock in it, FTW. The Democrats lied about what that 2,000 page piece of garbage said, and as it became clear that it was unworkable, unaffordable and untenable, most intelligent people chose not to follow the blind "leadership" of a socialist chief executive who won't even let people see his personal history to know if he's who he says he is or not. Stop trying to make patriotic Americans who recognize bad law when they see it seem "un-American" for wanting it repealed. When laws turn out to be bad ideas, we get rid of them, and that's what we're trying to do here.
     
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    How to resolve the government shutdown

    FWIW---The following is from the online "Denison Forum on Truth and Culture" & is written by Dr. Jim Denison, President.

    HOW TO RESOLVE THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN

    Authorize the government to spend money. Under the Anti-Deficiency Act, it can be a felony to spend taxpayer money without such congressional authorization. Since the new fiscal year begins today (Oct 1, 2013), a bill to fund the government had to be passed by both chambers of Congress and signed by the president by midnight.

    The House passed their version, which delays implementation of the Affordable Care Act by a year and repeals a 2.3 percent medical devices tax that would help pays for the health care law. The Democratic majority in the Senate rejected both provisions, so it sent the spending bill back to the House without them. Since neither side would compromise, the government has "shut down" and the president has authority to fund those parts of the government he considers "essential." As a result, the state-run health exchanges that are a part of ObamaCare begin this morning despite Republican action and opposition.

    There have been 17 such shutdowns since 1977, but none before then. Why? Part of the blame lies with a legal reinterpretation issued by the attorney general in April 1980 [This would have been Benjamin Civiletti, Carter's last AG.]. But the larger issue is cultural more than it is political. There was a day when our society affirmed a basic moral consensus and expected our political leaders to reflect and advance this consensus for the common good. Compromise by both parties was an essential part of the process. Today we have no such moral foundation, so each party (or group within the parties) is left to legislate its own version of reality, using any political means at its disposal. Government is broken because the society that elects it is broken.

    It wasn't always this way. When newly-elected President Reagan needed support from the Democratic majority in the House to raise the debt ceiling, he reached out to Speaker Tip O'Neill. O'Neill's request: that the president write a personal note to each and every Democratic members of the House asking for his or her support. This note would protect the member from future allegations of profligate spending. The requested letters arrived the next day---all 243 of them.

    George Bernard Shaw claimed that "democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." Before we deserve leaders who can govern from a moral consensus, we must achieve that consensus ourselves. This process starts with you and me. Are we praying daily for the moral and spiritual awakening we need, beginning with us? Do we seek our personal agendas or God's best for our lives and nation?

    If you stood a group of people around the walls of a room and asked them to become unified, confusion would likely result. But imagine that you set a chair in the center of the room and asked them to walk toward it---the closer they came to the chair, the closer they would come to each other.

    What if that chair were a throne, and God were on it?
     

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