If I understand it correctly the goal here was to move the Calvinism debate off of the theology debate thread to quell the dominance of the topic. I suppose then that I cannot start a thread on Calvinism in the traditional location where the subject would be debated. This makes no sense whatsoever. Separating soteriology from the rest of theology is like taking all the meat out of a ham. Pretending to have a legitimate theology debate section where soteriology is excluded is absurd in the highest degree. And it makes no financial sense either. Rigorous debate "pays the bills" here I'd bet. Make this a boring "fellowship site" and you have killed it. We fellowship in our churches and under the fellowship section of this site. We ought to be able to debate rigorously on the "DEBATE" sites. If you want to clean up the mess in these debates that truly does need to be addressed then make rules against ad hominem, drive by posting, not staying on topic and logical fallacies. That's the answer.