This is getting bizarre!

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Helen, Dec 14, 2005.

  1. Helen

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    Was Solomon saved? Am I saved? Are you saved? Was CS Lewis saved? Is Joe Blow saved?

    COME ON, PEOPLE!

    John told us how we can know that we ourselves are saved. Read his first epistle.

    And we are forbidden to judge others. With the measure you judge you will be judged. That ought to strike fear into a good many hearts.

    God knows the heart of each man. Let each of us run our own race. Let each of us strive to submit to Christ daily in what we do, say, think, and are. Let us express Christ to a hurting and dying world.

    We have just so much energy and so much time given us on this earth. Is this how you are going to spend it? Arguing about who is and who is not saved? AS IF YOU KNEW?

    I beg you to stop the nonsense of trying to judge others. That is not our place. Ever.
     
  2. Dr. Bob

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    Are you judging us, Helen? :D
     
  3. Frogman

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    I agree. But I don't think some of these others will&lt;grin&gt;.

    What is that saying about Baptists, there are none left except me and thee, and I am not too sure about thee...&lt;grin&gt;.

    Bro. Dallas
     
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    Isn't it though?
    That was the point behind most of them, to point out that it's ridiculous.

    If you read the one I started on me, the conversation is pretty cool on the third page, Frogman is waxing all eloquent, and then a testimonies thread was started off of it.

    The one on Bruce Lee was just joking around, until I got someone mad at me anyhow! Now I think it's over.

    As for the rest...well, let's hope the point the made, but I'm not too sure. I am amused that when given the opportunity to criticise someone who could answer back (the one on me) nobody took up the offer, so I have hope that the point WAS made and the ones truly questioning others can stop now.
     
  5. Frogman

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    Yeah, but isn't 'bizarre' a word from the seat of Islam?

    Helen???

    What's up with that?

    Bro. Dallas ;)
     
  6. Gina B

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    Ah man, maybe we should all take Tylenol pm and get some sleep before we all spontaneously self-ban ourselves. Figure if in reality we can self-combust, online we can self-ban, right? :eek:
     
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    Yeah, I am wishing I was in Alaska, there it would only be 9:00 pm Dec. 13, instead of 12:00 am Dec. 14, and I have to teach tomorrow...now ya'll know what is wrong with our public schools...too much Froggy logic :confused:

    i love it though and especially when a student asks me the reason of baptism, of this or that or what I believe. At first I wondered if they were only trying to throw me off topic, and this in a Western Civ. class discussing greek mythology, and then when I did answer the question and the one student always points out that I am in violation of the first amendment I especially love it when I am in a classroom where the teacher respects the Constitution and keeps multiple copies of it on the shelves. Then we get to have a Constitutional law lesson, boy oh boy, Limbaugh would be proud of those moments...I think.

    The real lesson, a Conservative in Public Schools who will speak has a martyr's syndrome, believe me.

    This is off topic, but someone tell me why everyone has freedom of speech and religion except a Christian? I will start another thread.
    Good night to all,

    Bro. Dallas, or Frog, Frogman, or even Froggie.
     
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    We do? we have lots of time on this earth? heh, if i knew that i wouldnt be in such a rush as i am right now...

    heck we dont know when we're going to die. none of us do. i might even die after i write this. heck i might of died before i wrote this and somebody came and finished the message... but this is me. we have no clue when we will die. might die tomorrow, may die a year from now, may not die for the next 50 years. WHO KNOWS BUT GOD? certainly not me. i sure dont know when im gonna die.

    live life as if your going to die the next second. dont waste your life. that's what im learning right now. i can say im young, but what if i die tomorrow and i havnt gone out and told people about Jesus? what if? im just learning these things that we cant waste a second of our lives at all. live life to the fullest to be sure that you will be going Home to Jesus. God gave me this little bit over the summer: "Go Big For Jesus, Or You Ain't Going Home." and its so true. anyways... i saw that and i needed to reply...

    God bless.
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    Dear gekko,
    I think you only echoed her point. She was stating that life is too short to be arguing over who is and who is not as if we know or could know on this side.

    Bro. Dallas

    The qualifying word, or phrase in her statement is 'just' or 'just so much time' however one takes it, the 'just' operates to limit the 'so much time' we have on this earth.
     
  10. Helen

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    Thank you, Frogman. Yes, that is what I meant. I'm sorry if I was awkward in my wording, gekko. We have limited time here on earth. How are we going to spend it? Ripping each other up or showing Christ to the world?
     
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    Amen Helen.
     
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    Frogman,

    I would like to say that both you and Helen represent Christ well in every post I've seen. God bless and let's do our best during this journey.
     
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    yah. amen.
     
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    I don't know, Helen!! I have my "doubts" about Joe Blow!!! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    And yet...

    When someone falls into gross sin or heresy, we are commanded to put them out of the church if they scorn the admonitions to repent. They are, in effect, disqualifying themselves from the "office of believer" so to speak, and we are commanded to think of them as heathens, Matt. 18:17.

    So the discussions were not bizarre, they were absolutely needful. Many people, I believe, disqualified themselves from the title "Baptist" at the very least.
     
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    Who else would we "self-ban"??? :D
     
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    C.S. Lewis on the atonement.

    Bizzare indeed! Bizzare that so many Baptist people would defend a man who flatly rejects the whole idea of Christ bearing the punishment for our sins.

    It is evident that Mr. Lewis was just another vain philosopher who formulated a new Christianity with which the agnostics and infidels of this world could be comfortable. And then had the unmitigated gall to call it "mere" - which is to say pure - Christianity.

    This is bizzare indeed, bizzare that so many Baptists take the lies of a writer of fairy tales over the words of the Holy Bible.

    Mark Osgatharp
     
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    Aaron, you are discussing a disciplinary action within the church to set one apart from that body who has brought open shame upon Christ and that body.

    Sadly that is practiced much the way you describe it, even among many Baptists and it is now a days very similar to Roman Catholicism's idea of 'excommunicating' a brother or sister and rendering them separated from Grace.

    The goal is repentance. Where it cannot be acheived there is need to separate an unrepentant one, but there is no Biblical warrant for our judging their hearts.

    About those who have shown themselves to not be Baptist, I guess we have a different idea of what a Baptist is so I will only say that I don't understand your statement.

    I remember the words of an old Baptist spoken from a heart of simple faith to another whose understanding of God's calling him to another land to preach the gospel to the heathen was bound in doubtings and fear of God's Providential Care.

    "Sit down young man, when God is pleased to save the heathen, he won't need your help."

    Some have even 'disqualified' themselves from being Baptist?

    Yeah, I would say the followers of Carey, Fuller, et. al.

    People act as if the gospel was not faithfully preached where ever and when ever a Baptist man full of the Spirit and constrained under the calling of God found himself, until Carey attempted and expected great things.

    No one is denying the need to preach the gospel to all who are blessed to be placed before us. We are, or at least I am only saying that we need to learn that it is God who saves and not ourselves nor our message, nor our sufferings, nor our willingness to obey, nor any other thing that only would rob God of the praise of the Glory of His Grace.

    If in your mind that renders me 'not' a baptist then you are bound to serve only according to what you believe, just as any other. :(

    Bro. Dallas
     
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    Dear Brother Mark,
    Many Baptists stopped relying on the Holy Bible in 1792.

    Bro. Dallas
     

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